American Pharoah points to Breeders' Cup Classic

[knickslions2]

Originally Posted by FATPIANO

That is NOT what I said, AP has NOT proven to be a great horse yet, he has NOT beaten his elders, and has NOT broken any track records, those are things that GREAT one's do, He is a very good horse, but not a great one(YET) and might not have the time to do so, he got very lucky this spring, that's all.

Lucky? You're reaching now.

[FATPIANO]

Originally Posted by knickslions2

Lucky? You're reaching now.

sorry it is just my opinion, we all have opinions, I did say he is very good, The first time he got hooked up with another good horse, he lost, thats all

[casp0555]

Originally Posted by FATPIANO

sorry it is just my opinion, we all have opinions, I did say he is very good, The first time he got hooked up with another good horse, he lost, thats all

So Firing Line and Dortmund were not good horses...just asking

[knickslions2]

Originally Posted by casp0555

So Firing Line and Dortmund were not good horses...just asking

Winning 5 races in 12 weeks including the triple crown against a pretty good crop of horses was terrible too. I'm not here saying he is the greatest horse of all time but people saying he was lucky is beyond ludacris. Lost one race against a horse who is improving every start.

[Arletta]

Originally Posted by knickslions2

Winning 5 races in 12 weeks including the triple crown against a pretty good crop of horses was terrible too. I'm not here saying he is the greatest horse of all time but people saying he was lucky is beyond ludacris. Lost one race against a horse who is improving every start.

I believe it's 2 races he's lost and I can see where some would feel he did get lucky when there was that torrential downpour before the Preakness because it totally changed the dynamics of the race when that happened. Firing Line and Dortmund had no shot when that happened.

[knickslions2]

Originally Posted by Arletta

I believe it's 2 races he's lost and I can see where some would feel he did get lucky when there was that torrential downpour before the Preakness because it totally changed the dynamics of the race when that happened. Firing Line and Dortmund had no shot when that happened.

I didn't count the first race as I was focusing on this year. Yes the rain helped in the Preakness but he came back three weeks later and ran the 6th fastest Belmont ever. Again I'm not saying he was the greatest ever but some of the bashing on here is crazy. Hate the connections or not it wasn't luck that carried this horse.

[declansharbor]

Originally Posted by knickslions2

I didn't count the first race as I was focusing on this year. Yes the rain helped in the Preakness but he came back three weeks later and ran the 6th fastest Belmont ever. Again I'm not saying he was the greatest ever but some of the bashing on here is crazy. Hate the connections or not it wasn't luck that carried this horse.

Mrs Arletta Mortimer is a known Baffert hater. Please take her opinion on this matter with a grain of salt.