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[jms62]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

So you're saying there have been 4,651 killed in the mass shootings in the past 2 years here? Because that would be what it would take for us to equal Norway provided there hasn't been any killed via mass shootings there.

The chart is outdated by 2 years old but simple math, provided the USA has a population of 319 million, extrapolates the above number that we are fortunately way short of.

Again feelings over facts usually isn't a good way to handle statistics.

So your point is we have no issue with Gun violence in this country cause other countries have it worse? Kind of like your position on the poor in our country should be happy cause the poor in Haiti have it worse off?

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by jms62

So your point is we have no issue with Gun violence in this country cause other countries have it worse? Kind of like your position on the poor in our country should be happy cause the poor in Haiti have it worse off?

No my point is and always has been we are not the only developed country in the world to experience mass shootings.

I also think not only it serves no purpose but inflames those who want to 'feel' we are the only country by our President pontificating false statements.

Again feelings don't equal facts no matter how many times we tap our heels.

[Danzig]

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a...s_it_will.html

I hope he's wrong.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

No my point is and always has been we are not the only developed country in the world to experience mass shootings.

I also think not only it serves no purpose but inflames those who want to 'feel' we are the only country by our President pontificating false statements.

Again feelings don't equal facts no matter how many times we tap our heels.

I'm sorry Steve.....you can't stab to death 10 people in 2 minutes...why is this country so obessed with guns ? Boring post I know, but the gun nuts are just literally killing us

[Danzig]

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/takeitdow...nfederate-flag

I hope that people will soon finally think, really think about this topic. That they will quit with the apologist history and finally concede what many have known all along.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Danzig

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/takeitdow...nfederate-flag

I hope that people will soon finally think, really think about this topic. That they will quit with the apologist history and finally concede what many have known all along.

You can't help yourself. Like a special needs child that has to puke.

Now a flag is to blame?

If we took down/banned the ISIS flag are they going away?

Still OK to burn, walk on the American flag OK?

You are entertaining!

And middle of the road LMAO

[GBBob]

Umm..this country is obsessed with guns. There can be no reasonable dialog about control because...and I am and sorry. ..but other than family, gun owners value their right to kill..disguised as defend , above all. Just give an inch...I don't care if you want to hunt, but why are you so afraid to give an inch?

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by GBBob

Umm..this country is obsessed with guns. There can be no reasonable dialog about control because...and I am and sorry. ..but other than family, gun owners value their right to kill..disguised as defend , above all. Just give an inch...I don't care if you want to hunt, but why are you so afraid to give an inch?

Just enforce the laws we have!

I don't hunt, value all wildlife including deer, and not popular up here, but not 6'0" plus either. Never shot at or towards a person in my life but worked many shifts in the ghettos and though not doing that anymore still think it my right to have a tool to protect my property and life.

No one should be able to buy and /or own a gun w/o a background check regardless of State and I will give that inch.

I also should add the father of this racist diagnosed psychotic prick in SC needs to go down for furnishing him the gun via a birthday gift.

[Pants II]

Chicago has some of the strictest gun laws in the world much less the country and it is a motherf.ucking war zone.

It's cute seeing gun owners labeled as more wanting to kill than to defend their family, property, and possessions from potential harm.

Random gun violence happens like this and people all of a sudden care.

Dell brings up all the weekend deaths in Chicago and it's far less caring.

Since we're assuming law abiding gun owners just wanna kill people lets also assume that liberals on here want Chicago gang members to kill other gang members and innocent bystanders.

It's only a fair assumption since we're obviously in the 'demonizing' straw-man game.

[golfer]

Not for nuttin, but I was just wondering why, in all the gun/2nd ammendment debates, the gun Manufacturers, and moreover, the Ammo manufacturers are NEVER mentioned?

Guns don't kill people, BULLETS do.

I just find it strange.

[Pants II]

Originally Posted by golfer

Not for nuttin, but I was just wondering why, in all the gun/2nd ammendment debates, the gun Manufacturers, and moreover, the Ammo manufacturers are NEVER mentioned?

Guns don't kill people, BULLETS do.

I just find it strange.

Just ban lead alloy.

Then when mass murder happens by a sniper with a high-powered bow and arrow we'll have to ban the materials used to make bows and arrows.

It's just a silly discussion. There are Americans who use Europe as an example.

Oh the same Europe that is having Greece default on them?

How naive are we here, folks? You don't think any of this is related to the fact that our politicians have essentially bankrupted this country?

You think they really give a f.uck about any of us?

Sheesh. Stop being conditioned by Walt Disney. FFS

[Pants II]

...but then again that has more to do with segregation. Out of sight, out of mind.

"I won't ever be in that part of town."

Meanwhile this is different. This incident in Charleston happened in a 'nice' part of town. There's a slight chance one of the white liberals here would've been in that church...re-enacting the opening scenes from The Jerk.

Oh well. It's all about 'that coulda been me or muh kid!' then the irrational logic begins. We need more gun control!

Ignore the examples of 'gun-free' zone failures. Let's ramp up the emotions...just like we did after 9/11!

"Take my freedom, please! Keep me safe, government! You have a tremendous track record of doing so!"

[Pants II]

Racism is being presented as one-sided.

I'm not with the narrative so until that changes you will get zero support/tears from me on the subject.

Work on the reality that every race is racist and the levels don't change much. Then we'll talk.

Until then don't expect me to join the lambs for slaughter. Your solutions are actually just permission for more racism.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Pants II

Racism is being presented as one-sided.

I'm not with the narrative so until that changes you will get zero support/tears from me on the subject.

Work on the reality that every race is racist and the levels don't change much. Then we'll talk.

Until then don't expect me to join the lambs for slaughter. Your solutions are actually just permission for more racism.

Again, I find myself agreeing with you...racism isn't confined to one group of folks. About twenty years ago (roughly) I listened to a debate where one side presented the argument that black folks can't be racist because they lack to power to affect white folks...absurd! One can't measure racism by the results, while I agree that white racists historically (in the US) have had a much more overall profound negative effect on black folks than the reverse...racism is racism and the fact remains that racist viewpoints have a negative effect on both the racist and the folks he/she discriminates against. Dr King understood this but today's black leaders have strayed from his teachings.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Again, I find myself agreeing with you...racism isn't confined to one group of folks. About twenty years ago (roughly) I listened to a debate where one side presented the argument that black folks can't be racist because they lack to power to affect white folks...absurd! One can't measure racism by the results, while I agree that white racists historically (in the US) have had a much more overall profound negative effect on black folks than the reverse...racism is racism and the fact remains that racist viewpoints have a negative effect on both the racist and the folks he/she discriminates against. Dr King understood this but today's black leaders have strayed from his teachings.

Yes, any individual can be racist. But that doesn't help solve the larger issue of systemic racism directed towards a group. Or legalized discrimination towards a group.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Again, I find myself agreeing with you...racism isn't confined to one group of folks. About twenty years ago (roughly) I listened to a debate where one side presented the argument that black folks can't be racist because they lack to power to affect white folks...absurd! One can't measure racism by the results, while I agree that white racists historically (in the US) have had a much more overall profound negative effect on black folks than the reverse...racism is racism and the fact remains that racist viewpoints have a negative effect on both the racist and the folks he/she discriminates against. Dr King understood this but today's black leaders have strayed from his teachings.

I respectfully disagree, Somer; I think the whole point of racism is that it is measured in results- in the systemic and systematic subjugation of certain people based on an ideology rooted in the shade of one's skin determining their worth. I think a lot of people lump "prejudice" and "racism" together as the same thing, but I don't think they are. And it's not as easy or as obvious as "black is inferior"; it's a mindset that sees the white experience as the normative one. Our nation is deeply racist, and not all of the racism is deliberately intended to subjugate. But the result is the same.

This blog post, looks at white privilege from the point of view of a white person who grew up dirt poor:

http://occupywallstreet.net/story/ex...e-white-person

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by GBBob

I'm sorry Steve.....you can't stab to death 10 people in 2 minutes...why is this country so obessed with guns ? Boring post I know, but the gun nuts are just literally killing us

The mass murders in Europe didn't involve knives but guns despite their restrictive gun laws.

This country isn't obsessed with guns, I own guns and am not obsessed with them. I own a lawn mower to cut my lawn and guns to protect my lawn.

Guns don't go off by themselves and solving the problem by banning them is equivalent to solving the problem of fatal car accidents by banning automobiles.

BTW I don't hate you in fact much closer to loving you though we differ many times on at least political matters.

Banning mentally deranged people, people on psychiatric drugs and holding those responsible like this kid's father enabling them to own guns would be a great start. And would in theory have aborted the Sandy Hook, Colorado, Ft. Hood and this mass murder to start.