shooting in sc

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

No my point is and always has been we are not the only developed country in the world to experience mass shootings.

I also think not only it serves no purpose but inflames those who want to 'feel' we are the only country by our President pontificating false statements.

Again feelings don't equal facts no matter how many times we tap our heels.

I'm sorry Steve.....you can't stab to death 10 people in 2 minutes...why is this country so obessed with guns ? Boring post I know, but the gun nuts are just literally killing us

[Danzig]

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/takeitdow...nfederate-flag

I hope that people will soon finally think, really think about this topic. That they will quit with the apologist history and finally concede what many have known all along.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Danzig

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/takeitdow...nfederate-flag

I hope that people will soon finally think, really think about this topic. That they will quit with the apologist history and finally concede what many have known all along.

You can't help yourself. Like a special needs child that has to puke.

Now a flag is to blame?

If we took down/banned the ISIS flag are they going away?

Still OK to burn, walk on the American flag OK?

You are entertaining!

And middle of the road LMAO

[GBBob]

Umm..this country is obsessed with guns. There can be no reasonable dialog about control because...and I am and sorry. ..but other than family, gun owners value their right to kill..disguised as defend , above all. Just give an inch...I don't care if you want to hunt, but why are you so afraid to give an inch?

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by GBBob

Umm..this country is obsessed with guns. There can be no reasonable dialog about control because...and I am and sorry. ..but other than family, gun owners value their right to kill..disguised as defend , above all. Just give an inch...I don't care if you want to hunt, but why are you so afraid to give an inch?

Just enforce the laws we have!

I don't hunt, value all wildlife including deer, and not popular up here, but not 6'0" plus either. Never shot at or towards a person in my life but worked many shifts in the ghettos and though not doing that anymore still think it my right to have a tool to protect my property and life.

No one should be able to buy and /or own a gun w/o a background check regardless of State and I will give that inch.

I also should add the father of this racist diagnosed psychotic prick in SC needs to go down for furnishing him the gun via a birthday gift.

[Pants II]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

I also should add the father of this racist diagnosed psychotic prick in SC needs to go down for furnishing him the gun via a birthday gift.

That's a slippery slope.

One could argue the responsibility lies with the state. Particularly the public school system for allowing this guy to drop out in 9th grade.

They failed him. Like they have so many others with failed liberal policies that allow these 'children' to be as uncivilized as their hearts desire because 'no one punishes my baby'.

Then we must also look at dropping the statute of limitations on the attorneys and their lobbyists who pushed for children to have more rights than adults when it comes to disciplining them.

It's so funny to read comments about how this guy is a 'monster' and he's 'evil' and that the state should now 'kill' him but I bet this young man didn't have a paddle took to his ass in his formative years.

I bet he wasn't conditioned to not do stupid sh.it in fear of getting his ass whooped.

Instead he was empowered by the system to be a monster. By the same people who want to kill him 'now'.

The hypocrisy and repeated failure of these clowns never ceases to astound.

A true idiocracy.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Pants II

That's a slippery slope.

One could argue the responsibility lies with the state. Particularly the public school system for allowing this guy to drop out in 9th grade.

They failed him. Like they have so many others with failed liberal policies that allow these 'children' to be as uncivilized as their hearts desire because 'no one punishes my baby'.

Then we must also look at dropping the statute of limitations on the attorneys and their lobbyists who pushed for children to have more rights than adults when it comes to disciplining them.

It's so funny to read comments about how this guy is a 'monster' and he's 'evil' and that the state should now 'kill' him but I bet this young man didn't have a paddle took to his ass in his formative years.

I bet he wasn't conditioned to not do stupid sh.it in fear of getting his ass whooped.

Instead he was empowered by the system to be a monster. By the same people who want to kill him 'now'.

The hypocrisy and repeated failure of these clowns never ceases to astound.

A true idiocracy.

I agree with you 100%

[dellinger63]

The reason this is attack/tragedy is so heavily covered by the media is because it involved a white racist killing black people AND IT IS A RARE OCCURANCE! So while we listen to all the pontifications including those of the Rev. Jackson about how this is a continuation of racist America the following sixteen murders occurred in Chicago during the past week, not to mention the week before or next week, right under the Rev's nose. We must ask why do these victims get ignored over and over and over? And black lives matter? To whom?

June 18 – Name Unknown, a 43 year old black male, caused by a gunshot in Woodlawn.

June 18 – Lynell Simmons, a 30 year old black male, caused by a gunshot in Chatham.

June 18 – Name Unknown, a 23 year old unknown male, caused by a gunshot in Chatham.

June 17 – Kimon De'Shon Wheeler, a 15 year old black male, caused by a gunshot in North Lawndale.

June 17 – Sam Johnson, a 19 year old black male, caused by a gunshot in Uptown.

June 16 – Lawrence M. Cox, a 29 year old black male, caused by a gunshot in East Garfield Park.

June 16 – Demetrius R. Bottom, a 49 year old black male, caused by a gunshot in Chatham.

June 16 – Martese Gentry, a 15 year old black male, caused by a gunshot in North Lawndale.

June 14 – Thomas Sawyer, a 49 year old black male, caused by a stabbing in Uptown.

June 14 – Byron Floyd, a 31 year old black male, caused by a gunshot in Austin.

June 14 – David Martinez Jr., a 40 year old white male, caused by a gunshot in New City.

June 13 – Kelly Burrell, a 23 year old black female, caused by a gunshot in Englewood.

June 13 – Arthur Wyatt, a 55 year old black male, caused by a assault in Brighton Park.

June 12 – Dennis Hoosier, a 23 year old black male, caused by a gunshot in Ohare.

June 12 – Benson Collins, a 55 year old black male, caused by a gunshot in Austin.

June 12 – Abdula Tate, a 38 year old black male, caused by a gunshot in Grand Boulevard.

[Pants II]

Chicago has some of the strictest gun laws in the world much less the country and it is a motherf.ucking war zone.

It's cute seeing gun owners labeled as more wanting to kill than to defend their family, property, and possessions from potential harm.

Random gun violence happens like this and people all of a sudden care.

Dell brings up all the weekend deaths in Chicago and it's far less caring.

Since we're assuming law abiding gun owners just wanna kill people lets also assume that liberals on here want Chicago gang members to kill other gang members and innocent bystanders.

It's only a fair assumption since we're obviously in the 'demonizing' straw-man game.

[golfer]

Not for nuttin, but I was just wondering why, in all the gun/2nd ammendment debates, the gun Manufacturers, and moreover, the Ammo manufacturers are NEVER mentioned?

Guns don't kill people, BULLETS do.

I just find it strange.

[Pants II]

Originally Posted by golfer

Not for nuttin, but I was just wondering why, in all the gun/2nd ammendment debates, the gun Manufacturers, and moreover, the Ammo manufacturers are NEVER mentioned?

Guns don't kill people, BULLETS do.

I just find it strange.

Just ban lead alloy.

Then when mass murder happens by a sniper with a high-powered bow and arrow we'll have to ban the materials used to make bows and arrows.

It's just a silly discussion. There are Americans who use Europe as an example.

Oh the same Europe that is having Greece default on them?

How naive are we here, folks? You don't think any of this is related to the fact that our politicians have essentially bankrupted this country?

You think they really give a f.uck about any of us?

Sheesh. Stop being conditioned by Walt Disney. FFS

[golfer]

Originally Posted by Pants II

Just ban lead alloy.

Then when mass murder happens by a sniper with a high-powered bow and arrow we'll have to ban the materials used to make bows and arrows.

It's just a silly discussion. There are Americans who use Europe as an example.

Oh the same Europe that is having Greece default on them?

How naive are we here, folks? You don't think any of this is related to the fact that our politicians have essentially bankrupted this country?

You think they really give a f.uck about any of us?

Sheesh. Stop being conditioned by Walt Disney. FFS

The point to my observation, if there was one, is that it would seem that those 2 industries have so much clout, they are somehow left out of the discussion. But I agree, it's a silly discussion. And DON'T GET ME STARTED with the Evil that is Disney!

[Danzig]

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a...he_city_s.html


There was no justice for Denmark Vesey and the others who were executed and banished in 1822. There was no justice for the members of the AME church when their building was burned. There was no justice for the millions of African Americans who were wrongly held in bondage. Justice in this case will not merely be a guilty verdict for the accused shooter. Justice demands that we acknowledge and address our nation’s continuing racial prejudice and disparities. Justice demands that we address police brutality, mass incarceration, and the lack of equal access to opportunity for millions of black Americans. The shooting is not simply the action of one deranged and evil individual, but instead springs from our nation’s long history of racial prejudice and violence against black Americans.

[Pants II]

...but then again that has more to do with segregation. Out of sight, out of mind.

"I won't ever be in that part of town."

Meanwhile this is different. This incident in Charleston happened in a 'nice' part of town. There's a slight chance one of the white liberals here would've been in that church...re-enacting the opening scenes from The Jerk.

Oh well. It's all about 'that coulda been me or muh kid!' then the irrational logic begins. We need more gun control!

Ignore the examples of 'gun-free' zone failures. Let's ramp up the emotions...just like we did after 9/11!

"Take my freedom, please! Keep me safe, government! You have a tremendous track record of doing so!"

[Pants II]

Racism is being presented as one-sided.

I'm not with the narrative so until that changes you will get zero support/tears from me on the subject.

Work on the reality that every race is racist and the levels don't change much. Then we'll talk.

Until then don't expect me to join the lambs for slaughter. Your solutions are actually just permission for more racism.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Pants II

Racism is being presented as one-sided.

I'm not with the narrative so until that changes you will get zero support/tears from me on the subject.

Work on the reality that every race is racist and the levels don't change much. Then we'll talk.

Until then don't expect me to join the lambs for slaughter. Your solutions are actually just permission for more racism.

Again, I find myself agreeing with you...racism isn't confined to one group of folks. About twenty years ago (roughly) I listened to a debate where one side presented the argument that black folks can't be racist because they lack to power to affect white folks...absurd! One can't measure racism by the results, while I agree that white racists historically (in the US) have had a much more overall profound negative effect on black folks than the reverse...racism is racism and the fact remains that racist viewpoints have a negative effect on both the racist and the folks he/she discriminates against. Dr King understood this but today's black leaders have strayed from his teachings.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Again, I find myself agreeing with you...racism isn't confined to one group of folks. About twenty years ago (roughly) I listened to a debate where one side presented the argument that black folks can't be racist because they lack to power to affect white folks...absurd! One can't measure racism by the results, while I agree that white racists historically (in the US) have had a much more overall profound negative effect on black folks than the reverse...racism is racism and the fact remains that racist viewpoints have a negative effect on both the racist and the folks he/she discriminates against. Dr King understood this but today's black leaders have strayed from his teachings.

Yes, any individual can be racist. But that doesn't help solve the larger issue of systemic racism directed towards a group. Or legalized discrimination towards a group.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Again, I find myself agreeing with you...racism isn't confined to one group of folks. About twenty years ago (roughly) I listened to a debate where one side presented the argument that black folks can't be racist because they lack to power to affect white folks...absurd! One can't measure racism by the results, while I agree that white racists historically (in the US) have had a much more overall profound negative effect on black folks than the reverse...racism is racism and the fact remains that racist viewpoints have a negative effect on both the racist and the folks he/she discriminates against. Dr King understood this but today's black leaders have strayed from his teachings.

I respectfully disagree, Somer; I think the whole point of racism is that it is measured in results- in the systemic and systematic subjugation of certain people based on an ideology rooted in the shade of one's skin determining their worth. I think a lot of people lump "prejudice" and "racism" together as the same thing, but I don't think they are. And it's not as easy or as obvious as "black is inferior"; it's a mindset that sees the white experience as the normative one. Our nation is deeply racist, and not all of the racism is deliberately intended to subjugate. But the result is the same.

This blog post, looks at white privilege from the point of view of a white person who grew up dirt poor:

http://occupywallstreet.net/story/ex...e-white-person

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by GBBob

I'm sorry Steve.....you can't stab to death 10 people in 2 minutes...why is this country so obessed with guns ? Boring post I know, but the gun nuts are just literally killing us

The mass murders in Europe didn't involve knives but guns despite their restrictive gun laws.

This country isn't obsessed with guns, I own guns and am not obsessed with them. I own a lawn mower to cut my lawn and guns to protect my lawn.

Guns don't go off by themselves and solving the problem by banning them is equivalent to solving the problem of fatal car accidents by banning automobiles.

BTW I don't hate you in fact much closer to loving you though we differ many times on at least political matters.

Banning mentally deranged people, people on psychiatric drugs and holding those responsible like this kid's father enabling them to own guns would be a great start. And would in theory have aborted the Sandy Hook, Colorado, Ft. Hood and this mass murder to start.