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[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

This is utter BS but not surprising considering the source.


http://www.cdc.gov/cancer/lung/basic...sk_factors.htm


http://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/adult.html

However, unlike obesity smokers billow 2nd hand smoke and if one is regularly exposed to it either at work or home it increases the chances of lung cancer by 20%-30%. And don't get me started on exercise or the lack of it by many who are too lazy to do even basic calisthenics.

Obese people should be paying at least $1,429 per year more (plus whatever the increase since that number is outdated by 6 years) than those who are not and smokers should be paying for 90% of the costs associated with lung cancer.

We need to stop looking for the nanny and start looking in the mirror.
I and many others don't smoke, are not obese and exercise daily yet we are unfairly mandated to supplement obese, lazy, smokers.

Just as at risk drivers pay more for automobile insurance so should the at risk health insured especially considering they did it to themselves.

My aunt, who never weighed more than 105 pounds, had gestational diabetes by the end of her life, Dell. IT'S HEREDITARY. Her parents, my grandparents, were thin (especially my grandfather, who was a 6 foot tall rail) and THEY BOTH HAD TYPE TWO DIABETES. Please tell me how that was their fault?

Please explain to me how my mother, who had both of her kids before the age of 30 and breast fed both of us for an extended time, gave herself breast cancer. Because that's what you do to reduce your risk- have kids before 30 and breast feed. In fact, the first two specialists she saw didn't believe her, because she was in such a low-risk group. They made fun of her alleged hypochondria ("You nurses are all the same") and sent her on her way.

And actually, according to this study, the obese and smokers are cheaper than health nuts:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/05/he...8884.html?_r=0

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

My aunt, who never weighed more than 105 pounds, had gestational diabetes by the end of her life, Dell. IT'S HEREDITARY. Her parents, my grandparents, were thin (especially my grandfather, who was a 6 foot tall rail) and THEY BOTH HAD TYPE TWO DIABETES. Please tell me how that was their fault?

Please explain to me how my mother, who had both of her kids before the age of 30 and breast fed both of us for an extended time, gave herself breast cancer. Because that's what you do to reduce your risk- have kids before 30 and breast feed. In fact, the first two specialists she saw didn't believe her, because she was in such a low-risk group. They made fun of her alleged hypochondria ("You nurses are all the same") and sent her on her way.

And actually, according to this study, the obese and smokers are cheaper than health nuts:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/05/he...8884.html?_r=0

that's awful.
reminds me of stories i've heard about guys who get breast cancer-people think that there's no way guys can get that. hello, men have breast tissue, of course they can get breast cancer.

knowing some conditions people are born with, and deal with in their lives, if they had to pay according to their risk...they'd be beyond bankrupt. how would that make sense, to rate like that?

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Danzig

that's awful.
reminds me of stories i've heard about guys who get breast cancer-people think that there's no way guys can get that. hello, men have breast tissue, of course they can get breast cancer.

knowing some conditions people are born with, and deal with in their lives, if they had to pay according to their risk...they'd be beyond bankrupt. how would that make sense, to rate like that?

Yeah, a former roommate's boyfriend's dad (how's that for a how-I-know-them chain?) was a breast cancer survivor.

They're better about it now than they were 30 years ago, in terms of understanding young women can get it, too. But back in 1979, when she found a lump, forget it. No one was talking about it.

I remember two neighbor girls wanted to take up a collection to help us with medical costs and my mother had to tell them no, because my dad was too uncomfortable about the whole neighborhood knowing she was sick. Ah, the good old days*, when even the word "cancer" had to whispered...

*not actually good

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

My aunt, who never weighed more than 105 pounds, had gestational diabetes by the end of her life, Dell. IT'S HEREDITARY. Her parents, my grandparents, were thin (especially my grandfather, who was a 6 foot tall rail) and THEY BOTH HAD TYPE TWO DIABETES. Please tell me how that was their fault?

Please explain to me how my mother, who had both of her kids before the age of 30 and breast fed both of us for an extended time, gave herself breast cancer. Because that's what you do to reduce your risk- have kids before 30 and breast feed. In fact, the first two specialists she saw didn't believe her, because she was in such a low-risk group. They made fun of her alleged hypochondria ("You nurses are all the same") and sent her on her way.

And actually, according to this study, the obese and smokers are cheaper than health nuts:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/05/he...8884.html?_r=0

Well than she and your grandfather would not have paid a premium as they were not obese and or smokers. Get it? Only those tipping the scale and or testing positive for smoking would be subject to the added premium.

Your study though is telling.

On average, healthy people lived 84 years. Smokers lived about 77 years and obese people lived about 80 years. Smokers and obese people tended to have more heart disease than the healthy people.

Cancer incidence, except for lung cancer, was the same in all three groups. Obese people had the most diabetes, and healthy people had the most strokes. Ultimately, the thin and healthy group cost the most, about $417,000, from age 20 on.

The cost of care for obese people was $371,000, and for smokers, about $326,000.

The results counter the common perception that preventing obesity will save health systems worldwide millions of dollars.

Only I haven't heard any complaints from you about Michelle O demanding healthy lunches, especially to kids whose family have no resources to pay for insurance. If only we could get everyone to chain smoke and get to 400lbs.

Also why in the hell are you worried about measles vaccinations? Imagine the savings to the system visa vi a measles epidemic? Especially since it would rid us of 'unhealthy' children eating up health costs?

How about extending the late term abortion limit to children under say 8, as surely they are incapable of sustaining life on there own. And for God's sake stop treating diseases like leukemia and AIDS.

Bingo bongo!

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Well than she and your grandfather would not have paid a premium as they were not obese and or smokers. Get it? Only those tipping the scale and or testing positive for smoking would be subject to the added premium.

Your study though is telling.



Only I haven't heard any complaints from you about Michelle O demanding healthy lunches, especially to kids whose family have no resources to pay for insurance. If only we could get everyone to chain smoke and get to 400lbs.

Also why in the hell are you worried about measles vaccinations? Imagine the savings to the system visa vi a measles epidemic? Especially since it would rid us of 'unhealthy' children eating up health costs?

How about extending the late term abortion limit to children under say 8, as surely they are incapable of sustaining life on there own. And for God's sake stop treating diseases like leukemia and AIDS.

Bingo bongo!

Except, unlike you, I don't have an issue with contributing to the health of society at large, so of course I support the First Lady's efforts to improve eating and exercise habits. I'd like people to live long, healthy lives.

How is it fair under your "punish the people who do things I don't like" utopia to charge a smoker who doesn't ever develop lung cancer? Or an obese person who is in perfect health?

And really, smokers already are doing that, via the taxes they pay on every package of cigarettes.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

And really, smokers already are doing that, via the taxes they pay on every package of cigarettes.

Only that tax money is going into the general fund like SS payments and everything else to pay for things like a billion dollars to the Muslim Brotherhood, 3 billion to destroy cars and untold billions wasted bringing in, educating, insuring and housing illegals.

It should be solely dedicated to lung cancer and related illnesses and anyone selling cigarettes w/o paying the tax should be choked out.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Only that tax money is going into the general fund like SS payments and everything else to pay for things like a billion dollars to the Muslim Brotherhood, 3 billion to destroy cars and untold billions wasted bringing in, educating, insuring and housing illegals.

It should be solely dedicated to lung cancer and related illnesses and anyone selling cigarettes w/o paying the tax should be choked out.

No, it's not, because the states tax it, not the feds. Le sigh.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

No, it's not, because the states tax it, not the feds. Le sigh.

Wanna bet?

I'll give you a chance to google before you decide.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Wanna bet?

I'll give you a chance to google before you decide.

Ok I can't take your money

In the United States cigarettes are taxed at both the federal and state levels, in addition to any state and local sales taxes and local cigarette-specific taxes. Cigarette taxation has appeared throughout American history and is still a contested issue today.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cigaret..._United_States