How Is Obamacare Working Out for You?

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by jms62

Business or Life doesn't happen in a vacuum Rupe. It is fluid what I say TODAY based upon all the intelligence I have may not be valid 2 days from now but hey I get it you hate Obama.

Just to refresh your memory, they intentionally lied. NBC News reported it:

"The Obama administration has known for at least three years that millions of Americans would not be able to keep their current health care plans, despite repeated promises to the contrary made by President Barack Obama, NBC News reports, citing sources “deeply involved” in Obamacare."

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013...sed-it-anyway/

This isn't a lie like, "I didn't have sex with that woman". This is a major lie that was going have major implications on the lives of millions of Americans. How can anyone defend that?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Just to refresh your memory, they intentionally lied. NBC News reported it:

"The Obama administration has known for at least three years that millions of Americans would not be able to keep their current health care plans, despite repeated promises to the contrary made by President Barack Obama, NBC News reports, citing sources “deeply involved” in Obamacare."

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013...sed-it-anyway/

This isn't a lie like, "I didn't have sex with that woman". This is a major lie that was going have major implications on the lives of millions of Americans. How can anyone defend that?

to clarify...policies in effect when ACA was passed could be grandfathered in. so, if your insurance company opted to cancel, that's on your company, not obama.
if your plan wasn't offered til after the ACA was passed, then it could not be grandfathered obviously.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Danzig

to clarify...policies in effect when ACA was passed could be grandfathered in. so, if your insurance company opted to cancel, that's on your company, not obama.
if your plan wasn't offered til after the ACA was passed, then it could not be grandfathered obviously.

To clarify, Obama kept announcing that if you liked your policy, you could keep it. He kept announcing that even though he knew it wasn't true. He knew that millions of people were going to get cancellation notices.

To clarify about being grandfathered, "The law states that policies in effect as of March 23, 2010 will be “grandfathered,” meaning consumers can keep those policies even though they don’t meet requirements of the new health care law. But the Department of Health and Human Services then wrote regulations that narrowed that provision, by saying that if any part of a policy was significantly changed since that date — the deductible, co-pay, or benefits, for example — THE POLICY WOULD NOT BE GRANDFATHERED."

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

To clarify, Obama kept announcing that if you liked your policy, you could keep it. He kept announcing that even though he knew it wasn't true. He knew that millions of people were going to get cancellation notices.

To clarify about being grandfathered, "The law states that policies in effect as of March 23, 2010 will be “grandfathered,” meaning consumers can keep those policies even though they don’t meet requirements of the new health care law. But the Department of Health and Human Services then wrote regulations that narrowed that provision, by saying that if any part of a policy was significantly changed since that date — the deductible, co-pay, or benefits, for example — THE POLICY WOULD NOT BE GRANDFATHERED."

sorry. you're blaming the wrong people.
i guess back in the day, you'd have been complaining when seat belts got forced into autos.
he didn't make them get rid of those policies, they opted to do so. so, i guess he should have said if you like your plan you can keep it as long as your health care co will keep it on the books.
it was anthems call, not obamas

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Danzig

sorry. you're blaming the wrong people.
i guess back in the day, you'd have been complaining when seat belts got forced into autos.
he didn't make them get rid of those policies, they opted to do so. so, i guess he should have said if you like your plan you can keep it as long as your health care co will keep it on the books.
it was anthems call, not obamas

First of all, that is not true. The Department of Health and Human Services made it so that if any significant part of an insurance policy was changed, even if it was just the deductible or co-pay, the policy would not be grandfathered. So right there we know millions of policies won't be grandfathered.

You are right that Obama should have said that there is a very good chance you will not be able to keep your plan because those plans will be cancelled. As the NBC investigation found, the Obama Administration knew that millions of people's policies would be cancelled, yet he kept saying in his speeches that you will be able to keep your policy.

I don't know what we're arguing about. Obama got "Lie of the Year" from Politifact over this. And NBC News did a big story about how Obama intentionally lied. Did you read the article? Maybe you missed this part:

"Buried in Obamacare regulations from July 2010 is an estimate that because of normal turnover in the individual insurance market, “40 to 67 percent” of customers will not be able to keep their policy. And because many policies will have been changed since the key date, “the percentage of individual market policies losing grandfather status in a given year exceeds the 40 to 67 percent range.”

"That means the administration knew that more than 40 to 67 percent of those in the individual market would not be able to keep their plans, even if they liked them."

"Yet President Obama, who had promised in 2009, “if you like your health plan, you will be able to keep your health plan,” was still saying in 2012, “If [you] already have health insurance, you will keep your health insurance.” "

"Robert Laszewski, a consultant with Health Policy and Strategy Associates, told NBC News that the administration repeatedly made a promise that officials knew couldn’t be honored."

[Danzig]

no, you're right. health care was all just fine til obama came along and lied, and made those sweet, angelic health insurers change their oh so wonderful plans that covered everything.

[Pants II]

Originally Posted by Danzig

no, you're right. health care was all just fine til obama came along and lied, and made those sweet, angelic health insurers change their oh so wonderful plans that covered everything.

Yes being taxed an extra 1% of my income so useless eaters can have subsidized coverage is great and fair.

Hail Obama and Arkansas democrats acting as independents.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Danzig

no, you're right. health care was all just fine til obama came along and lied, and made those sweet, angelic health insurers change their oh so wonderful plans that covered everything.

I never said that. I specifically said the opposite. I said the system was far from perfect and needed reform. As I said before, I thought it was practically criminal the way Anthem kept raising my premium by around 15-20% a year. I was in favor of reform. But that doesn't mean I have to endorse Obamcare or the way he lied about it to get it passed.