Classic DQ -- Update: Overhead video unearthed

[Kitan]

Originally Posted by Benny

And your selective screen grab shows what ?

That there is calm after the storm ?

I think it shows that this incident DID affect the outcome of the race. Moreno clearly gets a good jump but loses all chance because of what Bayern did. That in its own right is an infraction, let alone how it affected how the race was run.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by Kitan

I think it shows that this incident DID affect the outcome of the race. Moreno clearly gets a good jump but loses all chance because of what Bayern did. That in its own right is an infraction, let alone how it affected how the race was run.

Garcia did whatever he had to do in order to "cross and clear" on Moreno.

The fact that Shared Belief was one stall inside of him was coincidental, and he was bumped sideways as collateral damage.

Two one-way speed horses in the race, but Javier Castellano was not aggressive enough and Moreno was not quick enough. As soon as he was crossed and cleared he became odds-on to finish dead last...and Bayern's chances of winning obviously increased tremendously with a loose early lead.

In America, there's no in-race Exchange wagering. You're just supposed to "watch the beautiful spectacle and enjoy the pretty horses and colors"

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Garcia did whatever he had to do in order to "cross and clear" on Moreno.

The fact that Shared Belief was one stall inside of him was coincidental, and he was bumped sideways as collateral damage.

Two one-way speed horses in the race, but Javier Castellano was not aggressive enough and Moreno was not quick enough. As soon as he was crossed and cleared he became odds-on to finish dead last...and Bayern's chances of winning obviously increased tremendously with a loose early lead.

In America, there's no in-race Exchange wagering. You're just supposed to "watch the beautiful spectacle and enjoy the pretty horses and colors"

In race exchange wagering is tricky business, we will never have in race exchange wagering. We should have exchange wagering though.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Garcia did whatever he had to do in order to "cross and clear" on Moreno.

The fact that Shared Belief was one stall inside of him was coincidental, and he was bumped sideways as collateral damage.

Two one-way speed horses in the race, but Javier Castellano was not aggressive enough and Moreno was not quick enough. As soon as he was crossed and cleared he became odds-on to finish dead last...and Bayern's chances of winning obviously increased tremendously with a loose early lead.

In America, there's no in-race Exchange wagering. You're just supposed to "watch the beautiful spectacle and enjoy the pretty horses and colors"

Imagine the odds you could have gotten on Texas Red in race while he was dead last on that speed favoring track.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by jms62

Imagine the odds you could have gotten on Texas Red in race while he was dead last on that speed favoring track.

I think Upstart ran really well in that race with a bad trip. I know thats not really the point, but I dont see anyone discussing the races anywhere else.

[letswastemoney]

Originally Posted by jms62

Imagine the odds you could have gotten on Texas Red in race while he was dead last on that speed favoring track.

It didn't seem speed favoring the last few races. I thought it was fair for the Juvenile, although the cavalry charge for the lead helped Texas Red.

[OldDog]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Garcia did whatever he had to do in order to "cross and clear" on Moreno.

The fact that Shared Belief was one stall inside of him was coincidental, and he was bumped sideways as collateral damage.

Two one-way speed horses in the race, but Javier Castellano was not aggressive enough and Moreno was not quick enough. As soon as he was crossed and cleared he became odds-on to finish dead last...and Bayern's chances of winning obviously increased tremendously with a loose early lead.

In America, there's no in-race Exchange wagering. You're just supposed to "watch the beautiful spectacle and enjoy the pretty horses and colors"

[Kitan]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Garcia did whatever he had to do in order to "cross and clear" on Moreno.

The fact that Shared Belief was one stall inside of him was coincidental, and he was bumped sideways as collateral damage.

Two one-way speed horses in the race, but Javier Castellano was not aggressive enough and Moreno was not quick enough. As soon as he was crossed and cleared he became odds-on to finish dead last...and Bayern's chances of winning obviously increased tremendously with a loose early lead.

In America, there's no in-race Exchange wagering. You're just supposed to "watch the beautiful spectacle and enjoy the pretty horses and colors"

I'm not sure if that was sarcasm, but you meant to tell me that Moreno getting smacked silly to the point that Javier almost fell off didn't affect his chances of getting the lead? Bayern was no where near clear of either Shared Belief or Moreno to have crossed over in a safe manner.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Kitan

I'm not sure if that was sarcasm, but you meant to tell me that Moreno getting smacked silly to the point that Javier almost fell off didn't affect his chances of getting the lead? Bayern was no where near clear of either Shared Belief or Moreno to have crossed over in a safe manner.

He's not even remotely close to saying that.

[Kitan]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

He's not even remotely close to saying that.

If it was not sarcastic, the way his post read to me was that Moreno was not fast enough or ridden aggressive enough to lead. I don't see how one can deduce that because the image showed that Bayern was not in a position to clear him and the force he took to knock him sideways halted his forward momentum. Bayern would not have been able to clear him if Garcia didn't cause the chain reaction to have Moreno bulled over.

[Benny]

Always a good read - notice the photo too

http://www.drf.com/news/hovdey-rule-...-track-classic

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Benny

Always a good read - notice the photo too

http://www.drf.com/news/hovdey-rule-...-track-classic

Yeah, that was very well said by Hovdey

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Benny

Always a good read - notice the photo too

http://www.drf.com/news/hovdey-rule-...-track-classic

[OldDog]

Originally Posted by Benny

Always a good read - notice the photo too

http://www.drf.com/news/hovdey-rule-...-track-classic

So well said, and it sounds a lot like what Privman said on ATR yesterday.

And thanks to Hovdey for giving voice to what I thought while listening to Beyer yesterday about Shared Belief's position in the turn, and doing a much better job than I ever could have.

[SundayStar]

Originally Posted by Benny

Always a good read - notice the photo too

http://www.drf.com/news/hovdey-rule-...-track-classic

aka "Offlee Wild's Revenge". yep, good read. thanks for the link.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Kitan

If it was not sarcastic, the way his post read to me was that Moreno was not fast enough or ridden aggressive enough to lead. I don't see how one can deduce that because the image showed that Bayern was not in a position to clear him and the force he took to knock him sideways halted his forward momentum. Bayern would not have been able to clear him if Garcia didn't cause the chain reaction to have Moreno bulled over.

You seemingly understand his post, yet you don't.