Oh no...it'll never happen?

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

Yes I do get a pension. We are in agreement that I earned it. The government could take away the VA healthcare and it won't hurt me. It has been over two years since the last time I went to the VA.

For your viewing pleasure, a textbook example of the right-wing mindset: I Got Mine; **** All The Rest of You. (IGMFALROY)

[Princess Doreen]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

For your viewing pleasure, a textbook example of the right-wing mindset: I Got Mine; **** All The Rest of You. (IGMFALROY)

And your comment is a textbook example of someone who resents anyone wanting to keep what they earned.

[ezgoerbaby]

I just don't understand why the super super rich (wall street execs and their ilk) NEED tax breaks (it's been proven time and again that the trickle down bullshit doesn't work), thereby plunging us FAR deeper into debt when we can't provide healthcare to the people who DUG BODIES OUT OF THE RUBBLE OF THE WTC, because it costs too much?! WTF IS THAT ABOUT?? It's simply disgusting.

It's war on poor people and it's gonna be SO much worse. Class warfare is coming to a city near you. Cut taxes on rich people and raise food and gas prices on people that can't afford it. Just wait. See what happens.

[ezgoerbaby]

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

And your comment is a textbook example of someone who resents anyone wanting to keep what they earned.

Oh, because anybody that feels that way doesn't earn anything. What an a-hole comment.

[Princess Doreen]

Originally Posted by ezgoerbaby

Oh, because anybody that feels that way doesn't earn anything. What an a-hole comment.

You're the one talking out of your dupa.

You keep what you earn. What's so hard to understand about that?!~

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by ezgoerbaby

we can't provide healthcare to the people who DUG BODIES OUT OF THE RUBBLE OF THE WTC, because it costs too much?! .

The people you speak of are union NY city workers who all have what Obama refers to as 'Cadilac Health Insurance Policies". In fact they would be taxed under the new health plan. BTW the 9/11 Rescue Workers plan passed to the tune of $6.2 billion.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by jms62

I was waiting for someone to catch it.

It was caught. It was good

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

The people you speak of are union NY city workers who all have what Obama refers to as 'Cadilac Health Insurance Policies".In fact they would be taxed under the new health plan. BTW the 9/11 Rescue Workers plan passed to the tune of $6.2 billion.

No, many are not NY city workers, there are workers from nearly every state. No, this has nothing at all to do with their own health policies. No, they would not "be taxed" under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act

No, the 9/11 Rescue Workers plan that passed wasn't 6.2 billion, it was lowered to 4.1 billion to pass.

Geeshus, Dell, pick up a dog-damn newspaper once a week.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by jms62

How about a worthless person stealing our money by collecting a government pension??? Why should the government still be paying pensions when nearly every company has done away with them and switched to 401-K?

I earned my pension by giving up 20 years of my life for this country? Maybe this country should go to a draft or make people after high school join the military like they do in other countries. Im sure if there was a draft you would have draft dodgers.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

I earned my pension by giving up 20 years of my life for this country? Maybe this country should go to a draft or make people after high school join the military like they do in other countries. Im sure if there was a draft you would have draft dodgers.

I agree we should have a draft and I agree with you also that we should get rid of pensions for government employees altogether and have a matching 401K plan while they are serving or working. We both know the pension model is a failing model just look at the Big-3.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

No, many are not NY city workers, there are workers from nearly every state. No, this has nothing at all to do with their own health policies. No, they would not "be taxed" under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act

No, the 9/11 Rescue Workers plan that passed wasn't 6.2 billion, it was lowered to 4.1 billion to pass.

Geeshus, Dell, pick up a dog-damn newspaper once a week.

OK 20k workers part of the suit. Minus the NYFD, NYPD and other sanitation etc workers there are MANY? $6 BILLION plus going out!

Stop with the View and Huffington as your newspapers and please burn those Jimmy Carter books.

You're a sucker and always will be.... Thumbs down to the Creation Museum that provides your home State jobs, revenue and taxes (granted while receiving a tax break)

Meanwhile thumbs up to the Fed Subsidized, non-taxpaying muslim Community Center built on ground zero? (what I'd call sacred USA ground)

SUCKER!

[AeWingnut]

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by jms62

I agree we should have a draft and I agree with you also that we should get rid of pensions for government employees altogether and have a matching 401K plan while they are serving or working. We both know the pension model is a failing model just look at the Big-3.

I agree with you about the Big-3. Are there any flaws in a 401K. Just curious about a 401K plan. Thanks.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

I agree with you about the Big-3. Are there any flaws in a 401K. Just curious about a 401K plan. Thanks.

So you disagree about our bloated government pensions? They are ok? Aren't you always screaming about our debt?

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

And your comment is a textbook example of someone who resents anyone wanting to keep what they earned.

Well, seeing as how I'm the one paying for your Medicare, lady, you're actually suckling off my metaphorical teat.

OMFG, that image just made me throw up in my own mouth. And I have no one to blame for it but myself.

[Princess Doreen]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Well, seeing as how I'm the one paying for your Medicare, lady, you're actually suckling off my metaphorical teat.

OMFG, that image just made me throw up in my own mouth. And I have no one to blame for it but myself.

You're paying for my Medicare? Jeez - talk about ignorance. Anyone who has a job is paying for Medicare, and we put into it the same as everyone else because we didn't have a choice. And we pay into it now, as well. It's called mandatory insurance. And, you'll be looking for yours if/when the time comes for you "suckle off someone else's teat".

And, trust me when I say I wouldn't suck off anything of yours.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

I earned my pension by giving up 20 years of my life for this country? Maybe this country should go to a draft or make people after high school join the military like they do in other countries. Im sure if there was a draft you would have draft dodgers.

Please, we are a bit too smart to fall for this patriotic bullshi<t. You gave up 20 years of your life because it was a career path you chose. Let's call a spade a spade here. By your postings here we can go all in at 1 to 10 that college was never a realistic option. The military however was a choice where unless you totally fuc<k up will continue to pay a salary and provide an obscene retirement. Your job wasn't going to get outsourced or eliminated due to downsizing regardless of how well you performed in it. It was a very safe choice. So you post on here about all "worthless" folks collecting unemploymemt. Some of these folks have paid their SUI for 20-30 years but they are considered "worthless" to you because they won't take a minimum wage job to replace their 6 figure salary and instead continue to search. You continually complain about our debt yet find no problem whatsoever with governement pensions... You find no problem with someone who serves in the military for 20 years and collects 50% of their last paycheck for the next 45 years. You are exactly what is wrong with the country. Unwilling to see anything outside of their circumstances. I got mine fuc>k everyone else.

[Princess Doreen]

Originally Posted by jms62

Please, we are a bit too smart to fall for this patriotic bullshi<t. You gave up 20 years of your life because it was a career path you chose. Let's call a spade a spade here. By your postings here we can go all in at 1 to 10 that college was never a realistic option. The military however was a choice where unless you totally fuc<k up will continue to pay a salary and provide an obscene retirement. Your job wasn't going to get outsourced or eliminated due to downsizing regardless of how well you performed in it. It was a very safe choice. So you post on here about all "worthless" folks collecting unemploymemt. Some of these folks have paid their SUI for 20-30 years but they are considered "worthless" to you because they won't take a minimum wage job to replace their 6 figure salary and instead continue to search. You continually complain about our debt yet find no problem whatsoever with governement pensions... You find no problem with someone who serves in the military for 20 years and collects 50% of their last paycheck for the next 45 years. You are exactly what is wrong with the country. Unwilling to see anything outside of their circumstances. I got mine fuc>k everyone else.

I, too, raised an eyebrow about Nascar's remark "I gave up 20 years of my life". As you say, the military is a choice - it's not a sentence. However, the one thing you fail to take into consideration is that those who choose to serve in the military run the risk of getting nothing, as they stand a chance of getting killed in combat.

Not meaning for this to be about ME as I am so often accused - I'm just offering facts and figures, based on personal experience.

My husband served 4-1/2 years active duty in the USMC - two tours in Nam. His top pay as an E/4 over 4 (years) was $412/month. Hardly anything to get rich on - even back then. He then went into the Reserves and served for 22 years - one weekend a month and 2 weeks in the Summer in Panama; eventually back in the USA. Twice during his reserve duty, he was called back to active duty. His employers had his job waiting for him upon his return, but he didn't get paid by them while he was gone, and the amount of money the government paid him while he served active duty was about 1/3 of his regular wages. His top yearly income in the Reserves was $4,800 with a bit more for the two years in which he was called back to active duty.

His retirement income now is $574/month - and he doesn't have to pay for supplement insurance to Medicare which would cost us about $350/month if we had to buy supplement insurance on our own. However, we still have to pay for Medicare benefits.

If anyone wants to call those benefits obscene for putting in 26-1/2 years service with the military, sobeit. If anyone wants to say he doesn't deserve what he earned, sobeit.

If you say people who paid into unemployment deserve unemployment benefits, then the same holds true for people who paid into social security, medicare, and served in the military. They are not entitlements.

With regard to unemployment, I'd say that anyone searching for a job for xx number of months without success should consider retraining for another type career. And, sometimes taking a job at lesser pay and proving your worth to your employer with past experience and knowledge that you're bringing to the plate is a good shot at quick advancement and a higher salary. 75% of success in the workplace is just showing up.

A local used car dealership had a sign up for a number of weeks - "Car detailer wanted - $20/hour - will train." Our friend's son was on unemployment and supposedly looking for work, and we told him about it. His response - "That's hard labor. I still have a lot of time left on unemployment." He's 20-years old and collecting less than $200 wk, living home with mom and dad and not paying a nickle toward his keep. Parents may be pretty much to blame for his selfish/shiftless attitude. Not saying this is the norm for people on unemployment, but when people hear responses like this - it's bound to get them riled.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

OK 20k workers part of the suit. Minus the NYFD, NYPD and other sanitation etc workers there are MANY? $6 BILLION plus going out!

Stop with the View and Huffington as your newspapers and please burn those Jimmy Carter books.

You're a sucker and always will be.... Thumbs down to the Creation Museum that provides your home State jobs, revenue and taxes (granted while receiving a tax break)

Meanwhile thumbs up to the Fed Subsidized, non-taxpaying muslim Community Center built on ground zero? (what I'd call sacred USA ground)

SUCKER!

Every day you demonstrate how informed you are regarding the political and social issues of the day

[Riot]

Originally Posted by jms62

I agree we should have a draft and I agree with you also that we should get rid of pensions for government employees altogether and have a matching 401K plan while they are serving or working. We both know the pension model is a failing model just look at the Big-3.

How about every single citizen spends 2 years in the military upon graduation from high school, in exchange for being able to purchase into national single-payer healthcare, and receiving Social Security in their old age?