1973 Preakness (UPDATE: Maryland accepts 1:53.0)

[FATPIANO]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Yes. 1:41.60 for 8.5 furlongs still stands as Laurel's track record.

He won the race by 8.5 lengths over General Assembly.

Clever Trick (winner of 18 of 29 lifetime starts. Sire of the outstanding horse and sire Phone Trick) finished 3rd beaten more than 20 lengths in that Laurel Futurity.



Tim The Tiger -- a Grade 1 winner that season -- checked home 4th.

Final time of some famous Laurel Futurity winners on dirt:

Spectacular Bid: 1:41.60
Devil's Bag: 1:42.20 (2nd fastest edition ever)
Secretariat: 1:42.80
Honest Pleasure: 1:42.80
Count Fleet: 1:43.40
Riva Ridge: 1:43.40
Tapit: 1:43.80
Affirmed: 1:44.20
Cure The Blues: 1:44.40
Deputy Minister: 1:44.60
Bet Twice: 1:45.00

WOW...............YOUR KNOWLEDGE IS AMAZING. I think after The Bid won those 3 grade 1's, he actually ran again that year , I think 2 weeks later and won, Do you know what race it was?

[Calzone Lord]

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[FATPIANO]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/sho...50&postcount=6

Thanks, Your knowledge is very impressive, has any other Champion been undefeated from 7 furlongs to 1 1/4 miles? and just curious as to your opinion on where you would rank The Bid with all the greats?

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by FATPIANO

Thanks, Your knowledge is very impressive, has any other Champion been undefeated from 7 furlongs to 1 1/4 miles? and just curious as to your opinion on where you would rank The Bid with all the greats?

Colin. Man O' War. Personal Ensign, Landaluce. None that had anything close to his body of work.

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[FATPIANO]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Colin. Man O' War. Personal Ensign, Landaluce. None that had anything close to his body of work.

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Thanks for the History lesson today, very informative, and interesting, I have to find Native Dancer as a two yr old.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by FATPIANO

Thanks for the History lesson today, very informative, and interesting, I have to find Native Dancer as a two yr old.

He was 10-for-10 as a 2-year-old and had fast numbers.




It's really way too difficult to rate the best 2-year-olds of all-time.

Some of the great 2yo's like Secretariat and Spectacular Bid weren't good gate horses early on -- and both of them could be had going real short because of immaturity and bad initial gate habits.

Some of the most sensational 2yo's going 5 furlongs and 6 furlongs had trouble staying a mile or further.

[FATPIANO]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

He was 10-for-10 as a 2-year-old and had fast numbers.




It's really way too difficult to rate the best 2-year-olds of all-time.

Some of the great 2yo's like Secretariat and Spectacular Bid weren't good gate horses early on -- and both of them could be had going real short because of immaturity and bad initial gate habits.

Some of the most sensational 2yo's going 5 furlongs and 6 furlongs had trouble staying a mile or further.

Wow, he was a BEAST. was the Derby his only loss?

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

He was 10-for-10 as a 2-year-old and had fast numbers.




It's really way too difficult to rate the best 2-year-olds of all-time.

Some of the great 2yo's like Secretariat and Spectacular Bid weren't good gate horses early on -- and both of them could be had going real short because of immaturity and bad initial gate habits.

Some of the most sensational 2yo's going 5 furlongs and 6 furlongs had trouble staying a mile or further.

The American Derby at Was was worth 4x the purse value of the Travers. I've never even heard of 'Was'!

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by FATPIANO

Thanks, Your knowledge is very impressive, has any other Champion been undefeated from 7 furlongs to 1 1/4 miles? and just curious as to your opinion on where you would rank The Bid with all the greats?

I'm not who you asked but I rank the Bid #6 all time...I know a good argument could be made for an even higher ranking but to me the top 9 are very close.

[FATPIANO]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

I'm not who you asked but I rank the Bid #6 all time...I know a good argument could be made for an even higher ranking but to me the top 9 are very close.

Please let me know who the 5 are, that you rank higher, thanks

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by FATPIANO

Please let me know who the 5 are, that you rank higher, thanks

1. Secretariat
2. Kincsem...always catch hell for this one but check her out!
3. Man O War...despite the fact that I feel he ducked Exterminator.
4. Citation
5. Native Dancer

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

1. Secretariat
2. Kincsem...always catch hell for this one but check her out!
3. Man O War...despite the fact that I feel he ducked Exterminator.
4. Citation
5. Native Dancer

Kelso, Dr. Fager, and Secretariat are the only three that one could rationally make a case for to rate ahead of Spectacular Bid.

I would put SB #1 and Kelso #2 -- and any list that doesn't include the two of them in the top 5 is not at all well thought out.

Secretariat and Dr. Fager are two that one could justifiably put as high as #1 and as low as maybe 10th or 12th.

If you ran a rabbit at Dr. Fager he wouldn't run up to his par. He also missed some important dances. Secretariat had five uninspiring performances at age 3 -- and he didn't race at age 4. Both horses were incredible on their day -- and both proven on turf (however much you value that)

Kinscem is a hysterically awful selection. She doesn't belong in a top 1,000.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

1. Secretariat
2. Kincsem...always catch hell for this one but check her out!
3. Man O War...despite the fact that I feel he ducked Exterminator.
4. Citation
5. Native Dancer

and there's some who criticize native dancer because he never faced tom fool. not exactly consistent....
and yeah, you catch hell for kincsem for good reason.