Another Brilliant Plan Out of WI

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Can u explain to me how this bill disenfranchises voters since even factoring out all people ages 16and 17 there are more peoplein WI with a photo ID or drivers license then there are registered voters in WI?

You yourself proved my point with your casual lack of concern, your "not an issue" comment about those Americans that won't be able to survive the new Republican Voter Disinfranchisement Test.

Those are exactly the people the Republican party has targeted, and said they want to disinfranchise to help them win in 2012, and you are right with them: "not an issue" in your eyes.

There is nothing moderate or conservative in your political comments

LOL - of course there is. Fiscally conservative, socially responsible, anti-big government, anti-government interference in private lives. That's why I haven't voted Republican in two years, and why I won't for the foreseeable future. The current Republican party no longer represents any of that. I haven't changed. But the Republican party sure has.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

You yourself proved my point with your casual lack of concern, your "not an issue" comment about those Americans that won't be able to survive the new Republican Voter Disinfranchisement Test.

Those are exactly the people the Republican party has targeted, and said they want to disinfranchise to help them win in 2012, and you are right with them: "not an issue" in your eyes.



LOL - of course there is. Fiscally conservative, socially responsible, anti-big government, anti-government interference in private lives. That's why I haven't voted Republican in two years, and why I won't for the foreseeable future. The current Republican party no longer represents any of that. I haven't changed. But the Republican party sure has.

Please dispute facts with me. Who are we disenfranchising if there are more residents of WI with a photo ID than registered voters?(even eliminating 16 and 17yr olds) Must be easier to get a photo ID or drivers license than to register to vote.

Also if you are going to use the word the democrats like so much the least you could do is learn how to spell it

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Please dispute facts with me. Who are we disenfranchising if there are more residents of WI with a photo ID than registered voters?(even eliminating 16 and 17yr olds) Must be easier to get a photo ID or drivers license than to register to vote.

Also if you are going to use the word the democrats like so much the least you could do is learn how to spell it

The facts are that you support voter tests and voter suppression.

Wiphan posted: The disenfranchised people you speak of usually don't have a job so Mon-Friday works just fine (poor and elderly). The responsible people who have an ID (which by the way is required by most employers) will find time to go to the DMV and change their address. So that is not an issue.

So poor and elderly, and those "not responsible" in your eyes are "not an issue". Yeah, who cares if they can vote! Oh, and you have to have transportation to the DMV.

Yeah, that's really nice. Not what our Constitution says, but hey, it's only the poor, elderly, those you deem irresponsible, right?

Why do you ignore the fact that students will now have to bring a receipt with proof of paid tuition to the polling place with them? That not one school ID in Wisconsin fits the parameters of the new bill signed into law today?

Face it: the Republican Party has revealed themselves as the party of the elite and power-hungry. They don't give a damn about the citizens of this country. Even the "Tea Party" knows the GOP can't accomplish anything. They just lost the NY 26th. They now are only 50-50 to even hold onto the House in 2012. They have moved so far to the right, they've embraced the people literally dragging them off the political landscape. Please, go with them, if that's what you want. Enjoy the political exile, and take Republican Voter Suppression with you.

And let's not forget those poor victims of the tornadoes - who won't get their emergency aid appropriations bill signed until Eric Cantor gets the political budget concessions he wants. And he wasn't even embarrassed to say it in public. Yeah, hell of a party, those Republicans have become. Ronald Reagan wouldn't even pass their "purity test" today as a candidate.

[Danzig]

i guess if you want to view this as a bad thing, than it's making it more difficult to vote. or, you could think that maybe they're just making it difficult for non citizens to vote.
you have to be 18 to vote, most people start driving, and thus have a drivers license, at 16.
and if you don't drive, there are state id cards. sorry, don't see the big issue here.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i guess if you want to view this as a bad thing, than it's making it more difficult to vote. or, you could think that maybe they're just making it difficult for non citizens to vote.
you have to be 18 to vote, most people start driving, and thus have a drivers license, at 16.
and if you don't drive, there are state id cards. sorry, don't see the big issue here.

Read the current law and tell me how an out-of-state student in Wisconsin (living there for 4 years including summers on-campus, with no car) will be able to vote - including timeline for registration and ID and tuition proof requirements.

Then tell me why Wiphan isn't held to the same standards.

Then tell me why different standards, applied to different voters, are legal and Constitutional.


Wisconsin just passed the most restrictive voting eligibility law in the country. I can't wait until it's declared unconstitutional under current law.

And that is the anti-big government, anti-government takeover, anti-discrimination, pure libertarian position <g>

[Danzig]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43156562...nge-landscape/

Voter ID debate could change 2012 landscape
Wisconsin governor to sign photo ID law Wednesday, with bills being debated in Ohio, North Carolina, and other battleground states

some excerpts:

According to the National Conference of State Legislatures, 11 states, including Wisconsin, request or require photo ID for voters.



But compared to the 2004 election, voter turnout went way up, not down, in 2008 in both Georgia and Indiana after those states’ voter ID laws took effect.


Supreme Court upholds photo ID law
The idea of requiring voters to show photo identification got its biggest lift when the Supreme Court upheld the Indiana photo ID law in 2008.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43156562...nge-landscape/

Voter ID debate could change 2012 landscape
Wisconsin governor to sign photo ID law Wednesday, with bills being debated in Ohio, North Carolina, and other battleground states

some excerpts:

According to the National Conference of State Legislatures, 11 states, including Wisconsin, request or require photo ID for voters.



But compared to the 2004 election, voter turnout went way up, not down, in 2008 in both Georgia and Indiana after those states’ voter ID laws took effect.


Supreme Court upholds photo ID law
The idea of requiring voters to show photo identification got its biggest lift when the Supreme Court upheld the Indiana photo ID law in 2008.

Believe me, I'm sure the next elections in Florida, Wisconsin, Michigan and Ohio will have huge turnouts

Wisconsin is far more restrictive than Indiana, with additional requirements, date changes, etc., so we'll see regarding the constitutionality. I believe the law guys when many say they doubt it will fly in the current incarnation.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

LOL - of course there is. Fiscally conservative, socially responsible, anti-big government, anti-government interference in private lives. That's why I haven't voted Republican in two years, and why I won't for the foreseeable future. The current Republican party no longer represents any of that. I haven't changed. But the Republican party sure has.

The above statement is not supported in any of your political comments. You greatly admire Obama who supports nothing fiscally conservative, anti big government or government interference in our lives. He is the exact opposite of each of those views. So how are you a moderate conservative?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

The above statement is not supported in any of your political comments. You greatly admire Obama who supports nothing fiscally conservative, anti big government or government interference in our lives. He is the exact opposite of each of those views. So how are you a moderate conservative?

You really are obsessed with throwing labels around, aren't you? What do you care what strangers call themselves politically?

(frankly, I think it's another superficial demonstration of how some self-professed "conservatives" like to control the lives of others)

You think in black and white. I don't. I think your assessment of Obama and our current politics scene simply wrong.

For example, the biggest government takeover threat in our lives right now is the GOP. The biggest fiscal irresponsibility demonstrated in the past 60 years is the GOP. The biggest threat to our national security and international stability is the GOP.

Yes, I admire Obama quite alot, I voted for him, I am very happy with his performance, I"ll vote for him again, and yes, he does some things I don't care for.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

You really are obsessed with throwing labels around, aren't you? What do you care what strangers call themselves politically?

(frankly, I think it's another superficial demonstration of how some self-professed "conservatives" like to control the lives of others)

You think in black and white. I don't. I think your assessment of Obama and our current politics scene simply wrong.

For example, the biggest government takeover threat in our lives right now is the GOP. The biggest fiscal irresponsibility demonstrated in the past 60 years is the GOP. The biggest threat to our national security and international stability is the GOP.

Yes, I admire Obama quite alot, I voted for him, I am very happy with his performance, I"ll vote for him again, and yes, he does some things I don't care for.

Please explain to me how Obama is fiscally conservative...

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Please explain to me how Obama is fiscally conservative...

I never made the contention Obama is fiscally conservative. Yes, I am more fiscally conservative than Obama. Doesn't mean I still am not happy with him as President. I am. Very.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

I never made the contention Obama is fiscally conservative. Yes, I am more fiscally conservative than Obama. Doesn't mean I still am not happy with him as President. I am. Very.

ok, where has Obama created less government or less government interference into our lives?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

ok, where has Obama created less government or less government interference into our lives?

You dislike Obama, I do not. I'm not going to argue his administration with you. But to put it simply and most obviously, Obama and the Democrats are the ones protecting my freedoms, my health, my welfare as a citizen of this country; while the Republicans are the ones trying to take them away. You disagree. Good for you.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Riot

I never made the contention Obama is fiscally conservative. Yes, I am more fiscally conservative than Obama. Doesn't mean I still am not happy with him as President. I am. Very.

that means you should have been happy with Bush.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

that means you should have been happy with Bush.

Wow. You sure view things in a simplistic, black-and-white manner.

Bush? You are calling his fiscal policies conservative? How could anyone do that? Certainly Bush was far from conservative fiscal values to spend indiscriminately on the charge card, with no care to the future. He was a blatent spendthrift, and has harmed our country greatly with the execution of his fiscal policies.