DADT possible vote tonight!

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Danzig

hell will freeze over before the filibuster changes. the party with the majority has an easy excuse for stuff not getting done when the minority blocks it. but they know that when they in turn are the minority, they want that same power. these guys aren't going to do something that would end up hurting them down the road.
as for the dadt filibuster- i said weeks ago that the courts will overturn it, congress and the prez haven't got the guts. a significant portion of the country doesn't want it to change, and no pol is wanting to vote for something that might cost them re-election later. that's why they filibustered, so they wouldn't HAVE to vote.
makes you wonder how much of the stuff being 'bustered is done for a reason. those guys scratch each others' back all the time. look at rangel. hand slapped for his ethics violations, because no one wants to get hard time when it's their turn. why anyone expects anything from any pol, regardless of party, is beyond me. they don't put their country first, their constituents first, they put themselves and the party first.

2/3rds of the country wants DADT to be changes... plus 70% of the military.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

2/3rds of the country wants DADT to be changes... plus 70% of the military.

I agree and the number goes way up if you leave out the marines. If they could be left out DADT is repealed yesterday.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

I agree and the number goes way up if you leave out the marines. If they could be left out DADT is repealed yesterday.

The thing is, I dont see why the right (i should call them the wrong instead) is against it. Its not like all of the sudden the marines is going to become the best gay club on the planet. and change to pink camo.

If a gay marine tries to improperly hit on a straight marine and makes the unit uncomfortable, he should be kicked out, or demoted, or whatever they do. Just like if a straight man improperly tries a straight woman (like exposes himself or something). he also should be kicked out, or demoted.

But to throw out people who are willing to die for their country, just because someone found out they are gay.. is pathetic and an embarrassment for our country and military.

The Repubs are so wrong they should be ashamed of themselves.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

The thing is, I dont see why the right (i should call them the wrong instead) is against it...

I think a good portion of the right is for repeal, especially those under 60. I also think the majority of Marines active and retired, are against it. Leaving the marines out could just be a compromise that gets 80% of the repeal done now and maybe in another 1/2 generation they'll be ready to come onboard.

[Antitrust32]

I think the Marines need to deal with it. in about 1 week time after the repeal is done, they will realize it was like the smallest deal in the world and that nothing has changed for the worse.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I think the Marines need to deal with it. in about 1 week time after the repeal is done, they will realize it was like the smallest deal in the world and that nothing has changed for the worse.

it might be just my experience but the marines I have known are a bit different than the other branches and don't react to 'deal with it' very well. They seem to want to destroy or eliminate rather than deal.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

it might be just my experience but the marines I have known are a bit different than the other branches and don't react to 'deal with it' very well. They seem to want to destroy or eliminate rather than deal.

see 'a few good men' no pun intended

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I think the Marines need to deal with it. in about 1 week time after the repeal is done, they will realize it was like the smallest deal in the world and that nothing has changed for the worse.

it would be nice if those against it would come to the realization that gays have been and are now a part of the military. it hasn't been a problem and it won't be a problem.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

2/3rds of the country wants DADT to be changes... plus 70% of the military.

Plus the House Representatives. Plus the Senate has 60 votes to change it, far more than the 51 they need. So it's a shame the minority GOP is preventing a vote on this by filibuster, holding the rest of the country hostage to their minority opinion.

The GOP can continue obstructing, and let the courts rule it unconstitutional, order immediate repeal (not good implementation for the military), or the President can simply executive order it into oblivion (which leaves it able to be re-implemented in the future).

So the GOP will get another chance to get their heads out of their butts, let the military control how it is repealed and implemented, and vote once more on this before this congress ends at Christmas.