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Old 11-13-2010, 10:38 AM
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zenyatta at no 10..lol

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...hbred-rankings

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Old 11-13-2010, 10:48 AM
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Harbinger was by far the best horse in the world this year. Only having him six better than any other horse in the world is understating his overwhelming superiority.
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Old 11-13-2010, 11:33 AM
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Not really. Those rankings are a joke, and I'm not even talking about Zenyatta. If you subscribe to their legitimacy, you have Goldikova as being only the fourth best miler in Europe and merely on par with Twice Over.
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Old 11-13-2010, 08:36 PM
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Those rankings are a joke.
I say that every time.

The list, in its entirety...

http://www.horseracingintfed.com/res...0_1111_WTR.asp
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Old 11-13-2010, 04:22 PM
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zenyatta at no 10..lol

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...hbred-rankings

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If Blame is the #2 horse in anything we have a HUGE PROBLEM in horse racing.
His nost victory over her and horrible effort in the JCGC make him the #2 horse in the world.
These rankings are a total joke.
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Old 11-13-2010, 05:05 PM
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and Zenyatta beat 3 horses on that list
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Old 11-13-2010, 06:36 PM
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I'd take So You Think over Zenyatta up to and including 10 furlongs.
On which surface, dirt or synthetic?
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Old 11-13-2010, 06:41 PM
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I'd say Shuback sums it up pretty well in his column when comparing 'Z' and Goldikova on drf.com:


Both Goldikova and Zenyatta won five Group or Grade 1 races in 2010, but there is little resemblance in the quality of the fields the two were beating in those races.

In her four Group 1 victories in Europe and her Grade 1 Breeders’ Cup Mile triumph, Goldikova was beating 16 winners of 37 Group or Grade 1 races. The overall Group/Grade 1 record of her competition in those five races is 157-37-25-19.

In her five Grade 1 victories this year, Zenyatta was beating not a single Grade 1 winner. The overall Group/Grade 1 record of her competition in those five races is 28-0-1-2. Moreover, Zenyatta beat just two Grade 2 winners in those five races, St Trinians in the Vanity Handicap and Switch in the Lady's Secret.

In fact, while Zenyatta’s five victories this year were all technically Grade 1’s, the quality of the competition indicates that they were no better than Grade 3’s.


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Old 11-13-2010, 07:53 PM
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Old 11-13-2010, 05:22 PM
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If Blame is the #2 horse in anything we have a HUGE PROBLEM in horse racing.
His nost victory over her and horrible effort in the JCGC make him the #2 horse in the world.
These rankings are a total joke.
What was so horrible about Blame's JCGC if looked upon as a "prep" race?

Weren't a lot of people touting him as an up-and-comer last season after a similar effort in Regal Ransom's merry-go-round Super Derby?
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Old 11-13-2010, 08:01 PM
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What was so horrible about Blame's JCGC if looked upon as a "prep" race?
Absolutely nothing of course...and considering how he ran in the Classic those of us that viewed his JCGC as a prep were obviously correct. Remember when horses ran preps and after it (pre internet) people didn't think they sucked if they didn't win a race that was clearly a prep?
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Old 11-13-2010, 09:43 PM
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What was so horrible about Blame's JCGC if looked upon as a "prep" race?

Weren't a lot of people touting him as an up-and-comer last season after a similar effort in Regal Ransom's merry-go-round Super Derby?
Sure he was, and why would that 750k Grade 1 be a prep? He was in it to win it.
Im just not crazy about him. He is in the bottom 5 of BC Classic winners all time. Im waiting for PP's so I can do a list....
But just since 2000 he is not better then... IMO he is not better then Zenyatta. Not better then Ravens Pass. Not better then Curlin, likely not better then Hard Spun or Street Sense, both in that 2007 Classic. Kinda reminds me of Invasor, not sure he is better, 100% not better then Bernardini who ran 2nd. Not better then Saint Liam, not better then RHT who scratched morning of. Not better then Ghostzapper and about 5 others in that 2004 race. Not better then Pleasantly Perfect. Maybe, MAYBE BETTER THEN VOLPONI who ran some huge beyers in some big spots. Not better then Tiznow, not better then either Euro Tiznow beat, and not better then a bunch of horses out of those 2000-2001 Classics.
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Old 11-13-2010, 09:47 PM
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Sure he was, and why would that 750k Grade 1 be a prep? He was in it to win it.
A $750k stakes is a prep when it is used to prepare a horse for a much richer race.

Not too long ago, your dirt stakes horses that went a route of ground would prep for their big engagements in allowance races at sprint distances. For some reason, this does not quite happen as often, but prep races are alive and well in the dirt ranks.
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Old 11-13-2010, 09:50 PM
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A $750k stakes is a prep when it is used to prepare a horse for a much richer race.

Not too long ago, your dirt stakes horses that went a route of ground would prep for their big engagements in allowance races at sprint distances. For some reason, this does not quite happen as often, but prep races are alive and well in the dirt ranks.
If it was a prep then maybe thats a big problem with the game. What about all those bettors that made him odds on? He really should have run 3rd, if Fly Down could just figure things out.
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