Shirreffs says Zenyatta deserves '10 Horse of the Year

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by CSC

Reading some of the comments here, I'm curious to all the detractors of Zenyatta will they offer 10-1 odds that she will not win the classic?

You are missing the point.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You are missing the point.

Cannon, I got it. I think some here do reluctantly respect her, however I was touching on the one's that don't.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by CSC

Cannon, I got it. I think some here do reluctantly respect her, however I was touching on the one's that don't.

I really dont know of anyone that doesnt respect her. I do know many that don't respect the vast majority of her competition. Sometimes the Zenyattaites blur that line.

It is a huge accomplishment to win that many races in a row, especially with her running style. But in horseracing the strength of schedule and margin of victory are just as important. She can win the BC Classic and retire 20 for 20 and have her special place in history. But those believing that her overall racing record places her with the greats of the game just don't have a very good understanding of the history of the sport.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I really dont know of anyone that doesnt respect her.

this is a joke right?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

this is a joke right?

Show me an example

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I really dont know of anyone that doesnt respect her. I do know many that don't respect the vast majority of her competition. Sometimes the Zenyattaites blur that line.

It is a huge accomplishment to win that many races in a row, especially with her running style. But in horseracing the strength of schedule and margin of victory are just as important. She can win the BC Classic and retire 20 for 20 and have her special place in history. But those believing that her overall racing record places her with the greats of the game just don't have a very good understanding of the history of the sport.

Yep, I understand this and it is a fair criticism. The term Zenyattaturd is such a generalization that I really don't know what it means anymore. Regardless of her competition I have seen enough of her to know she is a special horse, I said earlier this week there is still 1-5% of me that needs confirmation, and that's what brings us to the classic. Sheriffs and Moss have made their beds, if it comes down to one race to define her, win - lose that is what we have. Unfortunate as most horses throw in clunkers now and then, but it is what it is.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by CSC

Yep, I understand this and it is a fair criticism. The term Zenyattaturd is such a generalization that I really don't know what it means anymore. Regardless of her competition I have seen enough of her to know she is a special horse, I said earlier this week there is still 1-5% of me that needs confirmation, and that's what brings us to the classic. Sheriffs and Moss have made their beds, if it comes down to one race to define her, win - lose that is what we have. Unfortunate as most horses throw in clunkers now and then, but it is what it is.

In your opinion she is special. That is the crux of the problem. They had plenty of opportunities to define her greatness yet here we are after 19 races still debating her merits. Take any great horse and go back to the weeks before their last race. Name one horse whose credentials would be questioned as much as this filly's?

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

In your opinion she is special. That is the crux of the problem. They had plenty of opportunities to define her greatness yet here we are after 19 races still debating her merits. Take any great horse and go back to the weeks before their last race. Name one horse whose credentials would be questioned as much as this filly's?

She was a 5 year old filly winning the BC Classic...that means something. Fillies dont win that race.

[slotdirt]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

She was a 5 year old filly winning the BC Classic...that means something. Fillies dont win that race.

She was a mare, not a filly. FYI.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

She was a 5 year old filly winning the BC Classic...that means something. Fillies dont win that race.

It would have meant a lot more on dirt. It's not her fault the decision was made to run the Breeders Cup there, but to ignore the surface it was run over is missing a giant part of the equation. Unless of course you think Gio Ponti would have been 2nd in that race on dirt.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

She was a 5 year old filly winning the BC Classic...that means something. Fillies dont win that race.

Sure it is a nice accomplishment. Of course prior to the 08 running Turf horses rarely won that race either. And if she hadn't run last year then a turf horse would have won again. But do you seriously want to use the 09 Classic as the measuring stick to use against the greats of the game? Even the colts that she beat are not particularly accomplished. At least not on the dirt.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

In your opinion she is special. That is the crux of the problem. They had plenty of opportunities to define her greatness yet here we are after 19 races still debating her merits. Take any great horse and go back to the weeks before their last race. Name one horse whose credentials would be questioned as much as this filly's?

Some would say Ghostzapper was special, he raced what 11 times in a 3 plus year career? Look I don't know what makes some horses great for some and some not so much for others. I certainly get why most think Rachel Alexandra was a great, I may not agree, but I do understand why so many gravitated to her.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by CSC1985

Y The term Zenyattaturd is such a generalization that I really don't know what it means anymore.

You don't understand what it means because you just made that up.

The correct term is Zenyattard. Notice it's a blending of Zenyatta and tard. As in re-tard.

You simply added the word turd to Zenyatta.

What Zenyattard means is, well, it's a good descriptive of the kool aid drinking retarded fans of Zenyatta who have lost all ability for rational thought when it comes to their queen.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

You don't understand what it means because you just made that up.

The correct term is Zenyattard. Notice it's a blending of Zenyatta and tard. As in re-tard.

You simply added the word turd to Zenyatta.

What Zenyattard means is, well, it's a good descriptive of the kool aid drinking retarded fans of Zenyatta who have lost all ability for rational thought when it comes to their queen.

Still obsessed I see, why do you bother? It's so tiring and repetitive your posts, It's incredibly difficult to want to respond to you. I get it, you think anyone who believes Zenyatta is a half decent horse is a tard. You can move on now.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by CSC1985

Still obsessed I see, why do you bother? It's so tiring and repetitive your posts, It's incredibly difficult to want to respond to you. I get it, you think anyone who believes Zenyatta is a half decent horse is a tard. You can move on now.

There ya go again, completely spinning things well past what I was saying.

What you don't get is that you are a freakin idiot.

You should try brushing up on both your reading skills and your logic skills.

For the last time, I am not a critic of the horse, nor do I think she sucks.

I think her rabid fans suck and have lost their grips on reality.