Week/Weekend Stakes Beyers

[The Indomitable DrugS]

I compiled my own pace pars for about 30 different race tracks by going back and using several thousands of races over several years.

Based on my pars - the raw pace and final numbers for the two races at Saratoga come back like this.

Winslow Homer race: 74 pace figure and 96 Final Figure

Malibu Prayer race: 117 pace figure and 110 final figure

The pace call is 6 furlongs into the race at 9fs


How anyone can possibly think the pace wasn't slow in the Winslow Homer race is beyond me.

As for what this has to do with Eskanderya's race going 9fs on AQU's main - I have absolutely no idea.

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

As for what this has to do with Eskanderya's race going 9fs on AQU's main - I have absolutely no idea.

Thank you.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

As far as the raw numbers for Eskanderya's Wood Memorial ...

84 pace and 94 final

They ran a Grade 3 stakes for older males at the same distance one race earlier that day. As for that race ...

80 pace and 80 final

As for the relationship between paces at 9fs at AQU on the main and 9fs at Saratoga - an identical pace is going to yield a clocking 4/5ths faster at Saratoga than it will on the AQU main.

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

How anyone can possibly think the pace wasn't slow in the Winslow Homer race is beyond me.

Nobody here said that a 1:13.2 split for a stakes horse going 9F wasn't slow.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

Nobody here said that a 1:13.2 split for a stakes horse going 9F wasn't slow.

Assuming both of the tracks are playing right dead at par - a 1:13.40 clocking on the AQU main going 9fs is the same thing as a 1:12.60 clocking at Saratoga going 9fs on the dirt.

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Assuming both of the tracks are playing right dead at par - a 1:13.40 clocking on the AQU main going 9fs is the same thing as a 1:12.60 clocking at Saratoga going 9fs on the dirt.

And a 1:12.60 clocking for a graded stakes horse going 9F at Saratoga would be slow.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

And a 1:12.60 clocking for a graded stakes horse going 9F at Saratoga would be slow.

Yes it is - but only if you're working with the assumption that the track was playing right at par the two days in question.

Obviously the track was slower than par at AQU on Wood day ... unless you really believe a Grade 3 for older males was won with an 80 Beyer and Esk only ran a 94 while winning the Wood by a huge margin?

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Yes it is - but only if you're working with the assumption that the track was playing right at par the two days in question.

Obviously the track was slower than par at AQU on Wood day ... unless you really believe a Grade 3 for older males was won with an 80 Beyer and Esk only ran a 94 while winning the Wood by a huge margin?

The Excelsior was an absolutely ugly race, and the form of the Wood, like the Excelsior, has not exactly been flattered. I know one-turn and two-turn races can play differently, but when the Carter and Bay Shore go in 1:21 and change, I think it's hard to conclude that the track on Wood Day was seven or eight lengths slower than par.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

The Excelsior was an absolutely ugly race, and the form of the Wood, like the Excelsior, has not exactly been flattered. I know one-turn and two-turn races can play differently, but when the Carter and Bay Shore go in 1:21 and change, I think it's hard to conclude that the track on Wood Day was seven or eight lengths slower than par.

They can play differently - that's for sure.

The same day Zenyatta won the Apple Blossom in 1:50.71 this year .. a 6f MSW race went in 1:09 and change on that Oaklawn Park card.