Week/Weekend Stakes Beyers

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

How anyone can possibly think the pace wasn't slow in the Winslow Homer race is beyond me.

Nobody here said that a 1:13.2 split for a stakes horse going 9F wasn't slow.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

Nobody here said that a 1:13.2 split for a stakes horse going 9F wasn't slow.

Assuming both of the tracks are playing right dead at par - a 1:13.40 clocking on the AQU main going 9fs is the same thing as a 1:12.60 clocking at Saratoga going 9fs on the dirt.

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Assuming both of the tracks are playing right dead at par - a 1:13.40 clocking on the AQU main going 9fs is the same thing as a 1:12.60 clocking at Saratoga going 9fs on the dirt.

And a 1:12.60 clocking for a graded stakes horse going 9F at Saratoga would be slow.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

And a 1:12.60 clocking for a graded stakes horse going 9F at Saratoga would be slow.

Yes it is - but only if you're working with the assumption that the track was playing right at par the two days in question.

Obviously the track was slower than par at AQU on Wood day ... unless you really believe a Grade 3 for older males was won with an 80 Beyer and Esk only ran a 94 while winning the Wood by a huge margin?

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Yes it is - but only if you're working with the assumption that the track was playing right at par the two days in question.

Obviously the track was slower than par at AQU on Wood day ... unless you really believe a Grade 3 for older males was won with an 80 Beyer and Esk only ran a 94 while winning the Wood by a huge margin?

The Excelsior was an absolutely ugly race, and the form of the Wood, like the Excelsior, has not exactly been flattered. I know one-turn and two-turn races can play differently, but when the Carter and Bay Shore go in 1:21 and change, I think it's hard to conclude that the track on Wood Day was seven or eight lengths slower than par.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

The Excelsior was an absolutely ugly race, and the form of the Wood, like the Excelsior, has not exactly been flattered. I know one-turn and two-turn races can play differently, but when the Carter and Bay Shore go in 1:21 and change, I think it's hard to conclude that the track on Wood Day was seven or eight lengths slower than par.

They can play differently - that's for sure.

The same day Zenyatta won the Apple Blossom in 1:50.71 this year .. a 6f MSW race went in 1:09 and change on that Oaklawn Park card.

[Indian Charlie]

Please stop bringing up Zenyatta every chance you get.

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

They can play differently - that's for sure.

The same day Zenyatta won the Apple Blossom in 1:50.71 this year .. a 6f MSW race went in 1:09 and change on that Oaklawn Park card.

No one was claiming that Zenyatta ran a "fast" race in the Apple Blossom ... and just so no one's under the impression that some ordinary maiden went an aberrational 1:09 and change that day, that 11-length Stonestreet/Asmussen maiden winner came back to run second, beaten a length by Safe Trip, in an entry-level allowance at Churchill that went in 1:08.4.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

I'm having trouble deciding who my 4th best is at Detroit Race Course and Arapahoe Park.