Good God

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by CSC

Epsom yesterday as the rain-softened ground raised further doubts about the effectiveness of the long-time favourite Hawk Wing Hawk Wing was a racehorse, foaled in 1999, and trained by Aidan O'Brien.

And yet O'Brien went ahead and ran him in back to back races on yielding ground in the English Derby and Eclipse - and he ran tremendous races both times.

What's your next trick going to be ... find quotes from Hassinger and Mott about why they feel Cigar can't handle dirt and belongs on turf?

[CSC]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

And yet O'Brien went ahead and ran him in back to back races on yielding ground in the English Derby and Eclipse - and he ran tremendous races both times.

What's your next trick going to be ... find quotes from Hassinger and Mott about why they feel Cigar can't handle dirt and belongs on turf?

What trick. I posted that Hawk Wing was more effective on faster ground due to conversations I had with a knowledgable overseas racing fan, I followed Euro racing then, doubt it if you wish. At that time most knew that Hawk Wing was a tremendous talent, another point I made. But he didn't act his best with cut in the ground. You post past p's claiming he could run extraordinarily well when the ground was soft. I am just telling you at that time there was concern from his trainer, from the british papers that he wouldn't run his best if the ground wasn't fast. I don't know why you doubt what I say or remember and honestly I don't care. But I am posting what was said then and I am sure there are some British racing fans that remember this time of racing and perhaps collaborate Aiden's thoughts back then.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by CSC

What trick. I posted that Hawk Wing was more effective on faster ground due to conversations I had with a knowledgable overseas racing fan, I followed Euro racing then, doubt it if you wish. At that time most knew that Hawk Wing was a tremendous talent, another point I made. But he didn't act his best with cut in the ground. You post past p's claiming he could run extraordinarily well when the ground was soft. I am just telling you at that time there was concern from his trainer, from the british papers that he wouldn't run his best if the ground wasn't fast. I don't know why you doubt what I say or remember and honestly I don't care. But I am posting what was said then and I am sure there are some British racing fans that remember this time of racing and perhaps collaborate Aiden's thoughts back then.

I think the problem not lies in your memory of such things, but in Aiden's estimation of his horse's ability on firm vs wet ground.

CLEARLY he was wrong.