When does the $1,000,000 a day start at MTH?

[Travis Stone]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

What I have heard from industry sources that isnt being talked about in public is the negative effect that Monmouth is having on the other meets handle.

This is very true...

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

This is very true...

Is it?

I don't follow such things ... I really have my doubts that other tracks handle would suffer. Just because their cards look far less attractive and they don't stack up ... that doesn't mean a whole lot of bettors money will avoid them.

I thought the Met Mile card at Belmont was better in '09 and they got more people to the track attendance wise as well for '09 - both cards also had 11 races -but this years Memorial day card at Belmont handled almost 700K more.

I think a few people in NJ might be coming back to the track. I know a guy from there who lets me use his NJ account ... and for about the last 2 years every time I'd log into his account he'd almost always have about $0.70 for a balance .. the dude simply wasn't betting.. and the few times he'd fund his account it would be for total chump change... a few hundred here and there that would come and go. Now, I see he's got over a couple grand in there and there's at least some activitey. Of course most of his action is going to MTH racing ... but it's pretty safe to assume he's going to be betting a lot more elsewhere than he was when he was betting basically nothing at all anywhere over the last few years.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Is it?

I don't follow such things ... I really have my doubts that other tracks handle would suffer. Just because their cards look far less attractive and they don't stack up ... that doesn't mean a whole lot of bettors money will avoid them.

I thought the Met Mile card at Belmont was better in '09 and they got more people to the track attendance wise as well for '09 - both cards also had 11 races -but this years Memorial day card at Belmont handled almost 700K more.

I think a few people in NJ might be coming back to the track. I know a guy from there who lets me use his NJ account ... and for about the last 2 years every time I'd log into his account he'd almost always have about $0.70 for a balance .. the dude simply wasn't betting.. and the few times he'd fund his account it would be for total chump change... a few hundred here and there that would come and go. Now, I see he's got over a couple grand in there and there's at least some activitey. Of course most of his action is going to MTH racing ... but it's pretty safe to assume he's going to be betting a lot more elsewhere than he was when he was betting basically nothing at all anywhere over the last few years.

I think it has more to do with Mth wrecking the handle at "other" tracks that simulcast players look at, like AP, CD, CrC, LaD, and LS. The people who play Belmont have generally always played Belmont IMO. When they were looking for another track to play in the past their action may have been spread around but for the most part it's now going exclusively to Mth.

Unless you believe that the money is coming from people who previously did not play, and that is possible to an extent, then the money that Monmouth's handling is at other tracks' expense.

NT

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Unless you believe that the money is coming from people who previously did not play, and that is possible to an extent, then the money that Monmouth's handling is at other tracks' expense.

Have you been looking at some of the cards that so many other tracks have been pounding out on a 4 and 5 day a week basis?

They suck sh!t through a fucl<ing straw!!

So many of those cards are a total vortex of suck.

I have to handicap every race they card at PID the entire meet ... and my only reaction is simply "Who in their right Fucl<ing mind would want to even make a token bet on about 60% of these sorry pile of sh!t races?"

There's good things happening at tracks like Monmouth and Evangeline right now ... most every other track needs to reduce days.

I've seen the glory of a 25 day PID meet when they have given out about the same in purses as they do over these 100 day meets.

In terms of racing product ... the 25 day meet is a supermodel compared to the $10 crack whore that is the 100 day meet.

[Travis Stone]

There are a lot of racetracks out there steep in double digit declines right now, or declines out-pacing the industry's current situation (around -8% or so). It's a ripple effect. It's also people leaving the game etc... a combination of factors.

When Monmouth is posting the numbers they're posting, they are yanking money here or there from a lot of racetracks. Even if it's just worth 20k per race at a place like Louisiana Downs, Lone Star or Arlington, that adds-up fast. For example, at LAD, 20k / race * 9 races = 180k... or about 7-12% of our average handle. That's significant for a place like here. Now, our product is not very good right now, so it's compounded, but that's a result of the ripple effect and overall state of the game.

Monmouth is running far less races that are unattractive (small fields), so last year while players might look elsewhere here or there, now they're not. A place like LAD can't find "spots" anymore like it used to. When CD closes, we'll see what happens, as that'll free-up a large amount of coin. But in general, the national simulcast landscape has changed.

Is this necessarily a bad thing? This is the market dictating what the market wants, so we'll see what the long term impact is, both in terms of short-term handle and business performance, but also industry trends regarding race dates / races.

As for Belmont... Big Sandy is immune to a lot of things... they have a powerful brand, the most powerful brand in the country, which is why a lot have wrote about how despite the smaller fields / purses etc., they're still out-handling MTH. So using them as a gauge for anything besides the overall industry is pointless.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

There are a lot of racetracks out there steep in double digit declines right now, or declines out-pacing the industry's current situation (around -8% or so). It's a ripple effect. It's also people leaving the game etc... a combination of factors.

When Monmouth is posting the numbers they're posting, they are yanking money here or there from a lot of racetracks. Even if it's just worth 20k per race at a place like Louisiana Downs, Lone Star or Arlington, that adds-up fast. For example, at LAD, 20k / race * 9 races = 180k... or about 7-12% of our average handle. That's significant for a place like here. Now, our product is not very good right now, so it's compounded, but that's a result of the ripple effect and overall state of the game.

Monmouth is running far less races that are unattractive (small fields), so last year while players might look elsewhere here or there, now they're not. A place like LAD can't find "spots" anymore like it used to. When CD closes, we'll see what happens, as that'll free-up a large amount of coin. But in general, the national simulcast landscape has changed.

Is this necessarily a bad thing? This is the market dictating what the market wants, so we'll see what the long term impact is, both in terms of short-term handle and business performance, but also industry trends regarding race dates / races.

As for Belmont... Big Sandy is immune to a lot of things... they have a powerful brand, the most powerful brand in the country, which is why a lot have wrote about how despite the smaller fields / purses etc., they're still out-handling MTH. So using them as a gauge for anything besides the overall industry is pointless.

Travis ... LAD is in the same friggin state as Evangeline Downs.

Forget Monmouth Park ... you have a red headed stepchild who all of a sudden is blooming into a full fledged hottie right in your own stomping grounds.

EVD averages over 10 starters per race on dirt - and now they have a brand new turf course ... that's a cheaper brand of racing - but it's product is at it's absolute finest.

[Travis Stone]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Travis ... LAD is in the same friggin state as Evangeline Downs.

Forget Monmouth Park ... you have a red headed stepchild who all of a sudden is blooming into a full fledged hottie right in your own stomping grounds.

EVD averages over 10 starters per race on dirt - and now they have a brand new turf course ... that's a cheaper brand of racing - but it's product is at it's absolute finest.

They always have, their field size has always dwarfed ours. This is the first year though where EVD is consistently whipping us in handle. Even if you factor in our loss of field size (which is not super significant overall, but there none-the-less), we should't be doing as poorly as we are. And we're not the only track posting such numbers.

When you erase the industry factor, the only other significant change has been Monmouth. They're yanking a few million more per day away from the middle to lower tier tracks. Our Thursday handle this year has been solid... a day when there is no Monmouth.