6/19-20 (BEL): New York S. (G2); Mike Lee S.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Im not so sure about going long. If he was my horse I would go Amsterdam next. I am not nearly as high on him as some others, and I loved General Maximus yesterday, but Friend or For did all the dirty work and was strong late.

Nothing personal, but your opinion of his talent is irrelevent.

The reason you run him in the Jim Dandy, and not the Amsterdam, is that if he fails to answer the distance question you can always turn him back for the King's Bishop.....while if he answers it positively you can shoot for the Travers, which is especially inviting this year given the crop. If you run him in the Amsterdam, while you may answer the talent question, you don't answer the more important one. Given the way he has already run, he has already shown he has the prerequisite talent.

The payoff in winning certain races is not the purses. It is partly the prestige but mostly in creating a sire. In this horse's case that not only has the obvious financial rewards, but also as a homebred, it has great cache.

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

The payoff in winning certain races is not the purses. It is partly the prestige but mostly in creating a sire. In this horse's case that not only has the obvious financial rewards, but also as a homebred, it has great cache.

I don't know how much cache Friend or Foe would likely have as a sire. However, since he is a homebred, major stakes placings by Friend or Foe would further help the value of the female members of this family, many of which are members of the Bromans' broodmare band and from which they have already sold several pricey yearlings/2YOs.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

I don't know how much cache Friend or Foe would likely have as a sire. However, since he is a homebred, major stakes placings by Friend or Foe would further help the value of the female members of this family, many of which are members of the Bromans' broodmare band and from which they have already sold several pricey yearlings/2YOs.

Not saying he's a major stallion, but didn't Friend of Foe's own sire follow a similar projected career act when he raced?

Friends Lake could do worse than standing at Airdrie in KY.

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Not saying he's a major stallion, but didn't Friend of Foe's own sire follow a similar projected career act when he raced?

Friends Lake could do worse than standing at Airdrie in KY.

I don't disagree with anything you said, but the market has changed dramatically from the time Friends Lake went to the breeding shed and now. Friends Lake is probably on his way to a regional market unless his fortunes change dramatically and soon.

If a horse like Eskendereya, by a sire like Giant's Causeway, is only worth $5-10 million as a stallion prospect, it's hard to imagine Friend or Foe being particularly appealing as a son of Friends Lake. Friends Lake had the benefit of being by A.P. Indy out a Grade I winning mare. Friend or Foe would have neither of those attributes in his corner.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

I don't disagree with anything you said, but the market has changed dramatically from the time Friends Lake went to the breeding shed and now. Friends Lake is probably on his way to a regional market unless his fortunes change dramatically and soon.

If a horse like Eskendereya, by a sire like Giant's Causeway, is only worth $5-10 million as a stallion prospect, it's hard to imagine Friend or Foe being particularly appealing as a son of Friends Lake. Friends Lake had the benefit of being by A.P. Indy out a Grade I winning mare. Friend or Foe would have neither of those attributes in his corner.

That's fair enough. Given your point about his pedigree, I would think that Friend Or Foe would have to exceed the accomplishments of his sire dramatically to have a shot at a KY farm.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

That's fair enough. Given your point about his pedigree, I would think that Friend Or Foe would have to exceed the accomplishments of his sire dramatically to have a shot at a KY farm.

That wouldn't be too hard.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

I don't know how much cache Friend or Foe would likely have as a sire. However, since he is a homebred, major stakes placings by Friend or Foe would further help the value of the female members of this family, many of which are members of the Bromans' broodmare band and from which they have already sold several pricey yearlings/2YOs.

I agree with all of this.

What I meant ( and I realize my post/points were jumbled ) was that it would sort of have cache for the owners....that is having a homebred stallion. i.e. it would be cool for them.

[Linny]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I agree with all of this.

What I meant ( and I realize my post/points were jumbled ) was that it would sort of have cache for the owners....that is having a homebred stallion. i.e. it would be cool for them.

Not only that but sired by a homebred stallion. I think that Broman still has an ownership interest in Friends Lake.

"I would think that Friend Or Foe would have to exceed the accomplishments of his sire dramatically to have a shot at a KY farm."
I wouldn't be too hard to do but he certainly won't do it within the NY Triple.

[Benny Leger]

Despite running a little green in the stretch, this horse looked awfully good to me yesterday. Don't know what the BSF for the race was, but had to be real close to triple digits. If it were me...I'd follow Andy's suggestion and stretch him out in the Jim Dandy and see what happens. RM said he galloped out a strong 3/8ths after the wire without a problem. Seems to me he's earned the right to try open company on a big stage.