Two at Toga (2023)

[theguarantee]

I can understand your opinion dahoss, just like I could understand what jms the other day…It’s just the lack of any type of consistency to me in the rulings…doesn’t help that I used 1,4 in that race, ripped them all up and had the 1 in all multis that leg…but my sentiments were made well before that race happened…just another kick in the balls

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by theguarantee

I can understand your opinion dahoss, just like I could understand what jms the other day…It’s just the lack of any type of consistency to me in the rulings…doesn’t help that I used 1,4 in that race, ripped them all up and had the 1 in all multis that leg…but my sentiments were made well before that race happened…just another kick in the balls

It's frustrating I get it. The other day, he obviously cost the horse a placing. I don't think that happened today and that's how I look at it, which could very well be wrong.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

It's frustrating I get it. The other day, he obviously cost the horse a placing. I don't think that happened today and that's how I look at it, which could very well be wrong.

The "Cost the horse a placing" is so open to interpretation. I feel the standard should be did he put another horse/rider in danger.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by jms62

The "Cost the horse a placing" is so open to interpretation. I feel the standard should be did he put another horse/rider in danger.

Isn’t that open to interpretation?

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Isn’t that open to interpretation?

Well it is better than we are now which seems that both conditions need to be true.

[moses]

I’m tired of Irad’s antics but I can’t really have sympathy for the two other horses involved here, who appeared to be working together to prevent Forte from getting into open space. At what point in time did we become OK with horses from the same trainer teaming up to impede another horse?

I’ve seen a lot of people saying that’s just race riding. I don’t agree. It’s collusion and what bettor wants to see that? It’s different when we’re talking about running a rabbit to set up a closer, imo. I’ve never liked when Baffert did this with his horses and don’t think we should reward this ‘strategy’ by DQing a clearly better horse unless the foul is extraordinarily egregious.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by moses

I’m tired of Irad’s antics but I can’t really have sympathy for the two other horses involved here, who appeared to be working together to prevent Forte from getting into open space. At what point in time did we become OK with horses from the same trainer teaming up to impede another horse?

I’ve seen a lot of people saying that’s just race riding. I don’t agree. It’s collusion and what bettor wants to see that? It’s different when we’re talking about running a rabbit to set up a closer, imo. I’ve never liked when Baffert did this with his horses and don’t think we should reward this ‘strategy’ by DQing a clearly better horse unless the foul is extraordinarily egregious.

I’m not sure it had anything to do with trainers. I just think it was Prat not wanting to let anyone out. I think he would’ve done the same thing if it was Disarm inside of him and someone else, not trained by Cox on the lead.

Now Rosario wouldn’t have pushed his way out like Irad did but I digress

[theguarantee]

Best Bet: Race 4 #2 Liberty Flame 8/1 - Think this one is every bit as likely a winner as the rest in here and believe the public will be gravitating to several others so should get a square price today.

Bet Value: Race 9 #8 Channel Maker 20/1 - Always like Channel Maker when there is some cut in the ground. Clearly you can cut that morning line ~in half with the conditions and Strong Quality scratching. I was interested in trying to get Strong Quality to wire this group so easy pivot to Channel Maker for me in here today.

Good luck.

[Conrad]

Originally Posted by theguarantee

Best Bet: Race 4 #2 Liberty Flame 8/1 - Think this one is every bit as likely a winner as the rest in here and believe the public will be gravitating to several others so should get a square price today.

Bet Value: Race 9 #8 Channel Maker 20/1 - Always like Channel Maker when there is some cut in the ground. Clearly you can cut that morning line ~in half with the conditions and Strong Quality scratching. I was interested in trying to get Strong Quality to wire this group so easy pivot to Channel Maker for me in here today.

Good luck.

You are having a VERY nice meet. Well done

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by theguarantee

Best Bet: Race 4 #2 Liberty Flame 8/1 - Think this one is every bit as likely a winner as the rest in here and believe the public will be gravitating to several others so should get a square price today.

Bet Value: Race 9 #8 Channel Maker 20/1 - Always like Channel Maker when there is some cut in the ground. Clearly you can cut that morning line ~in half with the conditions and Strong Quality scratching. I was interested in trying to get Strong Quality to wire this group so easy pivot to Channel Maker for me in here today.

Good luck.

Another great call. Impressive