Liam's Map=Cross Traffic part 2?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

You are setting up a straw man and knocking it down here.

You were the one who mentioned Honor Code, suggesting that he should be in the Mile rather than the Classic. Jasper's response to that suggestion thoroughly explained why his connections would go against the presumption that he should be in the Mile.

Meanwhile, why would one need further evidence beyond Liam's Map's defection that the Mile waters down the Classic? Or does every horse in the Classic have to defect to the Mile to prove the point? Beholder, American Pharoah, Smooth Roller, etc. would also have a prime chance in the Mile.

I never suggested that regarding honor code.
and I thought the message not a good one, which is why I went right back and deleted almost immediately.
the question was -does the mile water down the classic field? I say no.
honor code going in the classic helps make that point. he has done well at a mile, and has never run 10f-but rather than take the safe way out, they are going for broke. I say bravo for them.
also, euros leave the turf to go for the big 10f race, only making it more intriguing.

Originally Posted by freddymo

A mile around 1 turn is a significant and cool race, at mile and 70 yards around 2 turns its foolish trophy grab.

this is a real issue. to set up a race, and then have it not be run at the actual distance...makes no sense.
I thought the original races were fine, and the ones added since don't really do a thing for me.
but anyone with a good horse who they think can go 10f will go for it all in the bcc. if they don't have the horse for it, how would them not being in the classic 'water down the classic'?

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Danzig

the question was -does the mile water down the classic field? I say no. honor code going in the classic helps make that point. he has done well at a mile, and has never run 10f-but rather than take the safe way out, they are going for broke. I say bravo for them.

They are hardly going for broke by running Honor Code in the Classic. This horse, unbeaten at 9f, was earmarked as the winter book favorite for the Kentucky Derby last year and has been targeting the Classic throughout the year. If he has not started at 10f yet its because outside the Big Cap, Gold Cup, and Pacific Classic in California, there are no Grade 1 10f in NA for older horses other than the Jockey Club Gold Cup. I suppose he could have run in the Grade 2 Suburban (which oscillates b/w 9 and 10f), but clearly Shug McGaughey has been spacing out his races.

Again, the simple fact that Liam's Map (who was generating enthusiastic remarks for the Classic since his Whitney effort) has defected proves that the Mile waters down the Classic. Are we to believe that Liam's Map was never targeting the Classic? Are we to believe that if there were no BC Dirt Mile, Liam's Map would stay in the barn on BC Day?

Why does every horse capable at a mile have to defect to the Dirt Mile to prove the point? Isn't Beholder and Smooth Roller arguably "milers"?

but anyone with a good horse who they think can go 10f will go for it all in the bcc. if they don't have the horse for it, how would them not being in the classic 'water down the classic'?

So suddenly Liam's Map, who was mentioned for the Classic since August, was never a Classic contender?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

They are hardly going for broke by running Honor Code in the Classic. This horse, unbeaten at 9f, was earmarked as the winter book favorite for the Kentucky Derby last year and has been targeting the Classic throughout the year. If he has not started at 10f yet its because outside the Big Cap, Gold Cup, and Pacific Classic in California, there are no Grade 1 10f in NA for older horses other than the Jockey Club Gold Cup. I suppose he could have run in the Grade 2 Suburban (which oscillates b/w 9 and 10f), but clearly Shug McGaughey has been spacing out his races.

Again, the simple fact that Liam's Map (who was generating enthusiastic remarks for the Classic since his Whitney effort) has defected proves that the Mile waters down the Classic. Are we to believe that Liam's Map was never targeting the Classic? Are we to believe that if there were no BC Dirt Mile, Liam's Map would stay in the barn on BC Day?

Why does every horse capable at a mile have to defect to the Dirt Mile to prove the point? Isn't Beholder and Smooth Roller arguably "milers"?


So suddenly Liam's Map, who was mentioned for the Classic since August, was never a Classic contender?

you'd have to find out from LM's connections why they are going in the 'mile' instead.
and i don't know if he would stay in the barn or not. i do know only 14 can enter.