Liam's Map=Cross Traffic part 2?

[Port Conway Lane]

[quote=RolloTomasi;1042495]

I didn't say there were only bad horses in the Dirt Mile. The point has always been that the Dirt Mile "dilutes" the other races. And in and of itself it also tends to be a diluted race, just as I explained earlier, as it showcases older, tailing off runners, midwest Derby winners, and one or two top class horses ducking the main competition.

The connections of the horses who "departed" the other 2 races must not have thought too highly of their chances. This probably has much more to do with their horses ability at a given distance rather than "ducking". Again, absence of the Mile doesn't force the hand.

For the most part, racing in the US (and on dirt) is delineated very simply between sprinters and routers. Does that mean the Classic needs to be 10f? Not necessarily. It could be 9f, especially considering the impact that the desire for speed and precocity by breeders has had on the industry.

How many Grade 1 races exist that are a flat mile and for open 3yo and upwards? For that matter, is there a Champion Miler Eclipse?

Basically you are saying there are only 14 qualified male routers in the country worthy of competing at the BC.
I disagree.

Yeah, the Preakness winner, the Travers winner, the Hollywood Gold Cup winner, the Woodward winner fit and race ready all would have opted out of the Classic on racing's "biggest day".

but they were aging, tailed off runners, perennial also-rans, Grade 2 types, and a ducking and diving top class horse who didn't belong anyway.

The results prove it because no Eclipse champions have won the Dirt Mile and only one prior Eclipse champion even bothered to compete in it.

Not surprising as eclipse champions are not a dime a dozen. Year in and year out you'll be lucky to get 3 on the whole 2 day event.

The connections Goldencents and Caleb's Posse arguably cost themselves Eclipse awards by avoiding the Sprint.

Maybe,maybe not. Eclipse awards is what they is, and if either horse could have won the eclipse then according to your criteria the quality of the mile isn't as bad as you make it out to be. Championship Event.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Port Conway Lane

The connections of the horses who "departed" the other 2 races must not have thought too highly of their chances. This probably has much more to do with their horses ability at a given distance rather than "ducking". Again, absence of the Mile doesn't force the hand.

They don't stand a chance in the Sprint or the Classic...so they should have a marquee race called the BC Can't Sprint Can't Route Blinkers Only Ring Bit Tongue Tie Distance Dependent on Track Configuration Dirt Race.

Brilliant.

Basically you are saying there are only 14 qualified male routers in the country worthy of competing at the BC.

That are in form at any one time? I'd say there are less.

You wanna let us in on who these 14 qualified male routers (some of whom can't run in the Classic because they actually can't route according to you) are exactly?

but they were aging, tailed off runners, perennial also-rans, Grade 2 types, and a ducking and diving top class horse who didn't belong anyway.

Again, you are ignoring the whole argument. A horrible race that sports a big purse draws away two or three in-form, top class routers and sprinters away from the main championship races. Of course, in order to have a full field, it has to be populated by decidedly non top class horses, and hence no longer serves as championship event.

Not surprising as eclipse champions are not a dime a dozen. Year in and year out you'll be lucky to get 3 on the whole 2 day event.

This is made up. The Classic alone generally draws 1-2 Eclipse champions. The Dirt Mile? None.

Maybe,maybe not. Eclipse awards is what they is, and if either horse could have won the eclipse then according to your criteria the quality of the mile isn't as bad as you make it out to be. Championship Event.

More filth. Goldencents and Caleb's Posse did not in fact win a championship. So no, the Dirt Mile has produced no champions in 8 runnings.

[Port Conway Lane]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

They don't stand a chance in the Sprint or the Classic...so they should have a marquee race called the BC Can't Sprint Can't Route Blinkers Only Ring Bit Tongue Tie Distance Dependent on Track Configuration Dirt Race.

Brilliant.



That are in form at any one time? I'd say there are less.

You wanna let us in on who these 14 qualified male routers (some of whom can't run in the Classic because they actually can't route according to you) are exactly?



Again, you are ignoring the whole argument. A horrible race that sports a big purse draws away two or three in-form, top class routers and sprinters away from the main championship races. Of course, in order to have a full field, it has to be populated by decidedly non top class horses, and hence no longer serves as championship event.


This is made up. The Classic alone generally draws 1-2 Eclipse champions. The Dirt Mile? None.



More filth. Goldencents and Caleb's Posse did not in fact win a championship. So no, the Dirt Mile has produced no champions in 8 runnings.

We can go back and forth. It's become tiresome. The bottom line for you is that "This is a championship event and should be treated as such."

The bottom line is that connections will run where their horses fit best. If it's not the BCM for LM then maybe it's the Cigar Mile. Or wait for the Donn. Obviously they want no part of the BCC (if what has been stated is fact) so to remove the BCM to "force" them to run where most people may want to see him run wouldn't go over to well. Personally I don't give a rat's behind if you feel the quality of the BCM is subpar. It's an exciting race to watch and wager.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Port Conway Lane

We can go back and forth. It's become tiresome. The bottom line for you is that "This is a championship event and should be treated as such."

Oh, you're done changing the goal posts and arguing points irrelevant to the "bottom line" that the race, as a Breeder's Cup event, should be held to championship standards? Good news.

Personally I don't give a rat's behind if you feel the quality of the BCM is subpar. It's an exciting race to watch and wager.

This echoes exactly what I said in my original post: "It is a great undercard race..."

Thanks for finally coming around.

[Port Conway Lane]

[quote=RolloTomasi;1042543]

Oh, you're done changing the goal posts and arguing points irrelevant to the "bottom line" that the race, as a Breeder's Cup event, should be held to championship standards? Good news.

I'm tired of arguing that your almighy opinion is fact based.

This echoes exactly what I said in my original post: "It is a great undercard race..."

Thanks for finally coming around.

Same deal, just because you said it doesn't make it fact.

Tell me how eliminating the mile will get LM into the classic. That is the point.