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Originally Posted by Danzig

you mentioned gulf one....no one was against it. iraq brought that on themself when they invaded kuwait. that was probably the highest point for the u.s. in years-that coalition was quite an achievement. you might want to go back to all that happened during that time, and see the reaction when bush sr suggested taking down hussein then. and why we didn't invade iraq then. what changed in the years since then, i don't know (nothing did)? bush jr ignored everything in his rush to connect iraq to 9/11, or to something, and invade. it was an astronomical blunder. the reason the senate bit is that bush and his minions sold everyone hook, line and sinker on why to invade. it was a huge lie. we elect these people to make crucial decisions. they may not always be the most popular decision. but they should be the right one.
question: when in history has a president of this country asked for a war vote and not gotten it?

before you go to war, you're supposed to make sure that it's a righteous war, also that it's a winnable war, and that it will leave you in a better position than you were before. can you say any of those fit iraq or afganistan?

i don't disagree with a lot of what you say , but , edwards has come out and said he made a mistkae when he voted for the authorization , kerry , biden , clinton , schumer . etc etc have not said that

senior leaders in the senate of the democratic side voted agaisnt the war ..byrd and kennedy come to mind , why didn't theses junior democratic senators listen to the elders in the party who as it turned out knew better

blame bush all you want , but if the democratic senators follwed kennedy and byrd and he only had a slim majority he probably wouldn't have gone

as for the minions selling this theory , hillary clinton's speech when she voted totally nullifies that theory , she lauded herself is a strong willed independent women who had been on both sides of the aisle penn ave and knew that decisions had to be made that were going to be tough and sometimes had to be "gut"calls

kerry was on the armed forces comittee , he saw all the reports for over a decade and knew what the deal was

these key democrats , the current VP included , all came to their own opinions and even cited data that they looked at prior to bush even being president

As for the 1st gulf war , there was a vote , and the current vp , voted against operation desert storm ....brilliant guy that joe , hey barack