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					Originally Posted by Antitrust32  Cole Hamels:  132 innings;  2.32 ERA;   121 SO;  24 walks
 Cliff Lee:  137.1 innings; 2.82 ERA;  137 strike outs; 29 walks
 
 Roy Halladay:  143.1 innings; 2.45 ERA; 138 SO;  17 BB
 
 Vance Worley:  49 innings; 2.20 ERA; 37 SO;  20 BB
 
 Roy Oswalt:  71.1 innings;  3.79 ERA; 42 SO; 18 BB
 
 Kendrick has started 7 times with a 3.58 ERA and Blanton was only around 6 games before he went on the DL and had a terrible 5.5 ERA.  neither of the two have been regulars.  we often skip the 5th starter if there is a day off
 
 Braves:
 
 Jair Jurrjens:  110.2 innings;  1.87 ERA;  65 SO; 25 BB
 
 Tommy Hanson:  103.1 innings; 2.44 ERA; 109 SO; 35 BB
 
 Brandon Beachy:  67.1 innings; 3.21 ERA; 78 So; 15 BB
 
 Tim Hudson:  113.1 innings; 3.57 ERA;  79 SO's; 30  BB
 
 Derek Lowe:  113 innings; 4.30 ERA; 81 SO's; 41 BB
 
 Mike Minor started 6 times with a 4.59 ERA and Teheran started twice with a 5.19 ERA
 
 
 Giants:
 
 Let Timmy Smoke: 123.1 innings; 3.06 ERA; 132 SO; 45 BB
 
 Matt Cain:  126.1 innings; 3.06 ERA; 105 SO; 33 BB
 
 Ryan Vogelsong:  91.1 innings; 2.17 ERA; 70 SO;  32 BB
 
 Jonathan Sanchez:  89.2 innings; 3.81 ERA; 92 SO; 59 BB
 
 Bumgarner:  104.2 innings; 3.87 ERA; 92 SO; 27 BB
 
 Zito started 6 times with a 3.18 ERA
 
 
 Totals of the main 5 pitchers in the rotations  (throwing out Kendrick, Blanton, Minor, Teheren and Zito)
 
 
 Phillies:  532.3 innings;  average 2.71 ERA; 475 SO; 108 BB
 
 Braves:  506.5 innings;  average 3.07 ERA; 412 SO; 146 BB
 
 Giants:  533.7 innings;  average 3.19 ERA;  491 SO; 196 BB
 
 
 
 so......  its an educated opinion that is supported by facts.   except for now that I look at the whole picture, I might take the Braves over the Giants, close call though.     Phillies ahead by a decent margin, especially when you factor in the SO/BB.   this pretty much settles the arguement.
 
 
 as far as overall team ERA:  Phillies have a 3.02, Braves 3.11; Giants i believe are 3.17
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 And like I said, you're entitled to it.  As I also said in my very first post on the topic, the three are close enough that one could argue that the Braves (or Giants as you've added) have had a better overall rotation than the Phillies this year.  I've never even said the Braves are actually definitively better; I simply made the point that it's not beyond the realm of possiblity that they are.