Zenyatta: Slayer of Scoundrels

[The Indomitable DrugS]

'Spartacus: Blood and Sand' is without a doubt the best thing going on tv that I've watched in a few years.

In last nights new episode ... Spartacus went into the arena and butchered up some scawny old man who was framed for a murder he didn't commit.

The peoples champion put on a show and sliced the old mans head clean off. The crowd went wild.

With his blade .. he picked up the old mans severed head and raised it for all to see. At least Spartacus wins in utterly devastating fashion.

Zenyatta always comes through for the people... If she didn't...

* Taptam would be BY FAR the worst Apple Blossom winner ever.

* Dance To My Tune BY FAR the worst Santa Margarita winner ever.

* Lethal Heat BY FAR the worst Lady's Secret winner ever.

* Anabaa's Creations BY FAR the worst Clement Hirsch winner ever.

* Briecat BY FAR the worst Vanity winner ever

* And Gio Ponti would be a figgen Breeders Cup Classic winner.


Here's a better look at who has finished 2nd to her in her last 6 races ...




That old wine dude Jess Jackson - or whatever his name is - he should have taken hold of his deflated grapesack - and not been so fearful of losing.

But hey .. why dare test the mighty slayer of Taptam for $5 million on dirt?

You can always just put your tail between your legs and possibly catch the speedy Careless Jewel and Zardana both on dirt for 300K... in a stakes race whos name has long been assosicated with attracting fillies who duck the Kentucky Oaks.

[knickslions2]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

'Spartacus: Blood and Sand' is without a doubt the best thing going on tv that I've watched in a few years.

In last nights new episode ... Spartacus went into the arena and butchered up some scawny old man who was framed for a murder he didn't commit.

The peoples champion put on a show and sliced the old mans head clean off. The crowd went wild.

With his blade .. he picked up the old mans severed head and raised it for all to see. At least Spartacus wins in utterly devastating fashion.

Zenyatta always comes through for the people... If she didn't...

* Taptam would be BY FAR the worst Apple Blossom winner ever.

* Dance To My Tune BY FAR the worst Santa Margarita winner ever.

* Lethal Heat BY FAR the worst Lady's Secret winner ever.

* Anabaa's Creations BY FAR the worst Clement Hirsch winner ever.

* Briecat BY FAR the worst Vanity winner ever

* And Gio Ponti would be a figgen Breeders Cup Classic winner.


Here's a better look at who has finished 2nd to her in her last 6 races ...




That old wine dude Jess Jackson - or whatever his name is - he should have taken hold of his deflated grapesack - and not been so fearful of losing.

But hey .. why dare test the mighty slayer of Taptam for $5 million on dirt?

You can always just put your tail between your legs and possibly catch the speedy Careless Jewel and Zardana both on dirt for 300K... in a stakes race whos name has long been assosicated with attracting fillies who duck the Kentucky Oaks.

Hey she went there to see Racheal but she was scared

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by knickslions2

Hey she went there to see Racheal but she was scared

The horse wasn't scared of losing ... The old rich wine guy was.

[knickslions2]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

The horse wasn't scared of losing ... The old rich wine guy was.

Just pumping you up this fine morning. Wish they both were there yesterday

[miraja2]

Good stuff as usual DrugS, but is it really fair to lump Gio Ponti in with those other slugs? He put together three first-rate performances in a row last summer and I thought he also ran a very strong race in the BCC.
While beating the others you mentioned may not show much, don't you think Gio Ponti was a pretty darn good horse last year? I think beating him is actually a feather in Zenyatta's cap.

[CSC]

From my perspective Taptam just slayed the apparent 2nd(Just Jenda) and 3rd(War Echo) best horses in the field, a pair of G.3 winners that finished last and 2nd to last in a field of 5. You can thank the higher power Moss doesn't have the same set of balls that Jess has. Otherwise Rachel would be the slayer of Taptam because of a pair of Gr.3 winners couldn't.

[Port Conway Lane]

It seems so easy to handpick horses that have finished behind ANY great horse and then point out how the handpicked horse would be the "worst" winner of that given race.
Not to mention that "worst" is a matter of conjecture.

[dagolfer33]

I think its easy to discredit the beaten ones, and the ones they have beaten. But it is even easier to analyze the ones that have beaten her, BECAUSE THERE ARE NONE.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Port Conway Lane

It seems so easy to handpick horses that have finished behind ANY great horse and then point out how the handpicked horse would be the "worst" winner of that given race.
Not to mention that "worst" is a matter of conjecture.

Ah no - the last five females to run 2nd to her are disgraceful slugs.

Name me one Apple Blossom winner in the last 20 years who's no better than Taptam. You can't.

Name me one Santa Margarita winner in the last 20 years who's no better than Dance to my Tune. You can't.

Name me one Lady's Secret winner you've seen who's no better than Lethal Heat. You can't.

Name me one Clement Hirsch winner you've seen who's no better than Anabaa's Creation. You can't.

Name me one Vanity Handicap winner you've see who's no better than Briecat. You can't.

Even if you ignore all the elements of competent handicapping you still can't rationally argue that even the winners of the worst editions of those races aren't better.

[AeWingnut]

I thought Rachael would have won if she was at her best but you can't blame Zenyatta for Rachael not making the race.

I doubt Zenyatta even broke a sweat yesterday. She didn't have to.
People bad mouthed the great Cigar becasue he didn't beat anyone. Who was better?

ok, so...


who is Zenyatta ducking?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by dagolfer33

I think its easy to discredit the beaten ones, and the ones they have beaten. But it is even easier to analyze the ones that have beaten her, BECAUSE THERE ARE NONE.

This is the same kind of bullcrap that led to Favorite Trick winning the Horse of the Year title over Skip Away.

The 2yo's sucked beyond belief that year .. the older males were amazingly talented and spectacularly deep in numbers.

It's also the same kind of nonsense that led to Sports Illustrated ranking Pepper's Pride among the 20 best horses of last decade male or female.

I prefer to judge a horse by the quality of their performance and the quality of oppositon they beat.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by dagolfer33

I think its easy to discredit the beaten ones, and the ones they have beaten. But it is even easier to analyze the ones that have beaten her, BECAUSE THERE ARE NONE.

It beats the logic for the naysayers to exclaim she is the all time luckiest horse in history. Every horse she has beaten has been a pure stroke of good fortune, a stroke of luck, the stars are aligned argument. That's all that is left in this argument, a grasping of the straws mentality.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

People bad mouthed the great Cigar becasue he didn't beat anyone. Who was better?

Cigar faced and beat SEVERAL excellent horses.

SEVERAL of his performances were excellent.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by CSC

It beats the logic for the naysayers to exclaim she is the all time luckiest horse in history.

She's not lucky.

She's just been very carefully managed and other than about three times in her career - she's faced pure crap.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Good stuff as usual DrugS, but is it really fair to lump Gio Ponti in with those other slugs? He put together three first-rate performances in a row last summer and I thought he also ran a very strong race in the BCC.
While beating the others you mentioned may not show much, don't you think Gio Ponti was a pretty darn good horse last year? I think beating him is actually a feather in Zenyatta's cap.

Of course it is a feather in her cap. Spartacus also had to beat someone good somewhere along the way to become the peoples champion.

While good - Gio Ponti is certainly overrated and the thought of him as a Breeders Cup Classic winner sort of makes me laugh.

I also think Gio Ponti is a little better horse on turf than synthetic. He was 5th to Cowboy Cal in the Strub in his synth race prior to the BC Classic - and 4th to a trio of big longshots in his post BC Classic synth try.

[LARHAGE]

And who exactly has Rachel ever beat that Zenyatta wouldn't have? Macho Again? Bullsbay? The fact of the matter is Zenyatta has beat every rival to line up against her, when the pace has been against her, in big fields and small and on dirt and 3 different synthetic surfaces, why STILL disparage her?

The facts are Zenyatta is every bit the champion Rachel is, and in my opinion, she's better.

[Port Conway Lane]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Ah no - the last five females to run 2nd to her are disgraceful slugs.

Name me one Apple Blossom winner in the last 20 years who's no better than Taptam. You can't.

Name me one Santa Margarita winner in the last 20 years who's no better than Dance to my Tune. You can't.

Name me one Lady's Secret winner you've seen who's no better than Lethal Heat. You can't.

Name me one Clement Hirsch winner you've seen who's no better than Anabaa's Creation. You can't.

Name me one Vanity Handicap winner you've see who's no better than Briecat. You can't.

Even if you ignore all the elements of competent handicapping you still can't rationally argue that even the winners of the worst editions of those races aren't better.

Ok I'll give you that.
My point is that there are the Twice A Prince's finishing second behind many great horses. How would the horse that finished behind Ghostzapper in the Met Mile have rated among the last 20 winners? Or Macho Again last year behind Rachel? Maybe they weren't the worst, I'm not sure. Even if they were what does that say about Ghostzapper or Rachel ?
Seems like a backward way of rating the quality of the winning horse, especially when the other runners in the fields are ignored in the equation.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by LARHAGE

The fact of the matter is Zenyatta has beat every rival to line up against her, when the pace has been against her, in big fields and small and on dirt and 3 different synthetic surfaces, why STILL disparage her?

I disparaged only the horses who have been finishing 2nd to her.

However, one has every right to disparage several of her performances. Her win yesterday - which should generate no more than a 95 Beyer - was not impressive at all to me.

I was a lot more impressed with her previous victory over Brownie Points.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

The horse wasn't scared of losing ... The old rich wine guy was.

Say my little sister kicks your ass. Doubtful you then want to get a significantly more severe ass kicking from me. The old rich win guy understands this. BEYERITES don't.

When you're able to take my little sister, feel free to open your mouth. Until then, STFU.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Port Conway Lane

How would the horse that finished behind Ghostzapper in the Met Mile have rated among the last 20 winners?

that would be Silver Wagon. He was beaten 1.25 lengths and 2.25 lengths in Grade 1 stakes in his two starts after Ghostzapper crushed him. He also later won the Grade 1 Carter with a 110 Beyer and Grade 2 General Geroge with a 109 Beyer back-to-back. He was no bum. Saint Liam was a HOY. Roses in May and Pleasently Perfect were both stars. Ghostzapper beat real horses - but he's most loved for the way he won races more than anything else.

Originally Posted by Port Conway Lane

Or Macho Again last year behind Rachel? Maybe they weren't the worst, I'm not sure. Even if they were what does that say about Ghostzapper or Rachel ?
Seems like a backward way of rating the quality of the winning horse, especially when the other runners in the fields are ignored in the equation.

Summer Bird was a distant 2nd to RA in the Haskell.

Macho Again and Bullsbay and Mine That Bird and Musket Man aren't impressive at all relative to other 1-2 finishers of the Preakness and Woodward .. but keep in mind you're talking about a 3-year-old filly who beat them .. and in both cases beat setup closers who were aided by strong paces that should have hindered her.