Who Will Be The Pace Setter In The Derby?

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by CSC

Your chart indicated PC & IWR having almost identical trips, visually I was more impressed by PC's race rather than POTN, anyone other than Gomez riding and I probably wouldn't say so. Typical Gomez to get up, needless to say I think they both ran good races.

I didn't think that to be the case: the chart clearly shows IWR to have run the better race -- or, at least, a distinctive race.

I took a look at the race to see why you thought PC's race was 'visually' impressive. I found IWR 1 path wider on each turn and drifting significantly in the lane (not Talamo's best effort). Of course, POLY experts will tell you that saving ground is not significant on that surface.

But, it's increasing become LESS about what I see in the race and MORE about what the charts indicate. And, when Trakus becomes commonplace (and we have more calls in addition to more accurate ones) then I probably won't be watching many replays at all. 'Visually' impressive trips can only get me so far as most horses are really not much better than their setup on a given day.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

I didn't think that to be the case: the chart clearly shows IWR to have run the better race -- or, at least, a distinctive race.

I took a look at the race to see why you thought PC's race was 'visually' impressive. I found IWR 1 path wider on each turn and drifting significantly in the lane (not Talamo's best effort). Of course, POLY experts will tell you that saving ground is not significant on that surface.

But, it's increasing become LESS about what I see in the race and MORE about what the charts indicate. And, when Trakus becomes commonplace (and we have more calls in addition to more accurate ones) then I probably won't be watching many replays at all. 'Visually' impressive trips can only get me so far as most horses are really not much better than their setup on a given day.

Discussing race dynamic is precarious but I thought PC got pressed by IWR on the turn, it looked like IWR was going by with big MO, usually a horse that makes that type of move will end up winning a race, however PC was able to re-rally. Regardless whether IWR is not as good on Synth than dirt, I liked that fight in PC, in addition POTN was so deep in the track I'm not sure PC could see him out there. This is all debatable stuff but one thing I do like about Papa Clem is he has shown he has a heart.

[Bobby Fischer]

we should be discussing race dynamics a lot more than we do.

An alternative (and not necessarily correct) way to view the Robert Lewis , Is that all the horses who quit(markS , Oilman, shafted, brother keith, charliesmoment) simply SUCKED, and that they had very little to do with setup whatsover.

[HaloWishingwell]

PIONEEROF THE NILE worked 4 furlongs in 46:20 at Santa Anita. Even though he hasn't shown it yet as rank as he was the last race, could he show the way if no one wants it?

[Pedigree Ann]

Mentioned on TV yesterday that Baffert has changed the bit on PotN from a ring bit (more severe) to a more standard D-bit. BB had used the ring bit because he had come to him using it, but decided after the horse had fought against it recently to try something else. PotN went nicely in the workout, no pulling or head-throwing.

[Travis Stone]

Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

Mentioned on TV yesterday that Baffert has changed the bit on PotN from a ring bit (more severe) to a more standard D-bit. BB had used the ring bit because he had come to him using it, but decided after the horse had fought against it recently to try something else. PotN went nicely in the workout, no pulling or head-throwing.

Send it in!!!

[CSC]

With QR also out who's going to make the pace now? Regal Ransom or Papa Clem?