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Old 02-14-2017, 08:40 AM
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Default Irish War Cry or McCraken

of these 2 colts - Irish War Story, or McCraken,
which do you think has a better Derby running style.

Irish War Cry The undefeated son of Curlin beat the current Kentucky Derby point-leader, Classic Empire, at a distance of 1 1/16 miles with an gate-to-wire effort. Grahm Motion trainee Irish War Cry, who also trained Kentucky Derby winner Animal Kingdom

McCracken the winner of the Sam F. Davis Stakes (G3) in record time,
the son of Ghostzapper, has brought his record to four for
four and is tied with El Areeb and Gormley with 20
points each toward the Road to the Kentucky Derby.

Classic Empire has 32 points , the point leader...while IWC has only 10.

Irish war cry winner wire to wire, has more of a derby Calvary running style..front running with speed...were as McCraken laid covered up for most of the Davis stakes..only to close in the stretch.

Is the cover and pounce method, the better running style for the field of 20 in Louisville..in 75 days ?
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Old 02-14-2017, 11:15 AM
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Having a few wins at cd is obviously a feather in mcrackens cap
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Old 02-14-2017, 04:07 PM
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good point 3 wins i think.

i really liked the front leg action on Irish War Cry
check out his movemenrt in the stretch when he is asked..he seems to almost high step from then on

perhaps McCracken in Elmont
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Old 02-14-2017, 05:41 PM
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good point 3 wins i think.

i really liked the front leg action on Irish War Cry
check out his movemenrt in the stretch when he is asked..he seems to almost high step from then on

perhaps McCracken in Elmont
Mastery is faster then Irish war cry
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Old 02-14-2017, 06:33 PM
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Mastery is faster then Irish war cry
Id take IWC. Not a huge Mastery fan. Hoping Mo Town comes back strong. Love all of his races so far.
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Old 02-14-2017, 09:50 PM
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McCraken...........love the breeding via Ivory Empress.
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Old 02-15-2017, 01:00 AM
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I think that American Anthem's 2nd start was pretty impressive. Especially with how unimpressive his first was.

It certainly was nicer that McCraken's comeback race.
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Old 02-15-2017, 03:56 PM
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Id take IWC. Not a huge Mastery fan. Hoping Mo Town comes back strong. Love all of his races so far.
Your boy has a good one in Mastery. Don't over look him. Looking forward to him moving forward. I liked his last race
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Old 04-07-2017, 12:54 PM
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March 25th...
Irish War Cry worked in company with Chadds Ford Stable's Darley Alcibiades (G1) winner Dancing Rags, who was given the same time for her move.

The Union Rags filly is headed to the April 9 Adena Springs Beaumont Stakes (G3) at Keeneland for her season debut, off an eighth in the Nov. 5 14 Hands Winery Breeders' Cup Juvenile Fillies (G1).

Dancing Rags runs Sunday..

This should be some sort of indication as to where IWC is in his current ability, she was his work mate and they both were given the same time in the 3-25 work...i think ?

thoughts ?
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Old 04-07-2017, 12:55 PM
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Your boy has a good one in Mastery. Don't over look him. Looking forward to him moving forward. I liked his last race
how things changed..in less than 3 seconds..winner ..derby fav...OFF the trail..ouch
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Old 04-07-2017, 12:57 PM
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McCraken...........love the breeding via Ivory Empress.

IVORY EMPRESS (USA) dkb/br. M, 2006 {9-e} DP = 11-5-16-0-2

speed and stamina in the female
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Old 04-07-2017, 01:00 PM
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i look for a BIG effort from irish war cry in the Wood.

Some from florida say, the track on FOY day was drying out from terrible storms, and was sticky and cuppy.

I like IWC..and will find out in Nork whether or not the track was his issue.
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Old 04-07-2017, 01:19 PM
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I like this animals look on the track, his shoulders are impressive, he wired the Holy Bull field, I hope he does well

It took one lackluster 1 1/16-mile run around the Gulfstream Park track March 4 for the son of Curlin to go from unbeaten upstart who defeated the reigning juvenile champion to a 3-year-old on the outside looking in where his prospects for the first Saturday in May are concerned.
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Old 04-07-2017, 01:21 PM
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Mastery is faster then Irish war cry
NOT NOW!....
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Old 04-07-2017, 07:33 PM
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I got a kick out of Andy Serling's thoughts on McCraken on ATR this pst week.

Love the show, esp around this time of year!
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