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Secretriat34 02-14-2017 08:40 AM

Irish War Cry or McCraken
 
of these 2 colts - Irish War Story, or McCraken,
which do you think has a better Derby running style. :confused:

Irish War Cry The undefeated son of Curlin beat the current Kentucky Derby point-leader, Classic Empire, at a distance of 1 1/16 miles with an gate-to-wire effort. Grahm Motion trainee Irish War Cry, who also trained Kentucky Derby winner Animal Kingdom

McCracken the winner of the Sam F. Davis Stakes (G3) in record time,
the son of Ghostzapper, has brought his record to four for
four and is tied with El Areeb and Gormley with 20
points each toward the Road to the Kentucky Derby.

Classic Empire has 32 points , the point leader...while IWC has only 10.

Irish war cry winner wire to wire, has more of a derby Calvary running style..front running with speed...were as McCraken laid covered up for most of the Davis stakes..only to close in the stretch.

Is the cover and pounce method, the better running style for the field of 20 in Louisville..in 75 days ?

tanner12oz 02-14-2017 11:15 AM

Having a few wins at cd is obviously a feather in mcrackens cap

Secretriat34 02-14-2017 04:07 PM

good point 3 wins i think.

i really liked the front leg action on Irish War Cry
check out his movemenrt in the stretch when he is asked..he seems to almost high step from then on

perhaps McCracken in Elmont

knickslions2 02-14-2017 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Secretriat34 (Post 1085826)
good point 3 wins i think.

i really liked the front leg action on Irish War Cry
check out his movemenrt in the stretch when he is asked..he seems to almost high step from then on

perhaps McCracken in Elmont

Mastery is faster then Irish war cry

RHT2004 02-14-2017 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by knickslions2 (Post 1085831)
Mastery is faster then Irish war cry

Id take IWC. Not a huge Mastery fan. Hoping Mo Town comes back strong. Love all of his races so far.

taxicab 02-14-2017 09:50 PM

McCraken...........love the breeding via Ivory Empress. :tro:

Indian Charlie 02-15-2017 01:00 AM

I think that American Anthem's 2nd start was pretty impressive. Especially with how unimpressive his first was.

It certainly was nicer that McCraken's comeback race.

knickslions2 02-15-2017 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RHT2004 (Post 1085832)
Id take IWC. Not a huge Mastery fan. Hoping Mo Town comes back strong. Love all of his races so far.

Your boy has a good one in Mastery. Don't over look him. Looking forward to him moving forward. I liked his last race

Secretriat34 04-07-2017 12:54 PM

March 25th...
Irish War Cry worked in company with Chadds Ford Stable's Darley Alcibiades (G1) winner Dancing Rags, who was given the same time for her move.

The Union Rags filly is headed to the April 9 Adena Springs Beaumont Stakes (G3) at Keeneland for her season debut, off an eighth in the Nov. 5 14 Hands Winery Breeders' Cup Juvenile Fillies (G1).

Dancing Rags runs Sunday..

This should be some sort of indication as to where IWC is in his current ability, she was his work mate and they both were given the same time in the 3-25 work...i think ?

thoughts ?

Secretriat34 04-07-2017 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by knickslions2 (Post 1085856)
Your boy has a good one in Mastery. Don't over look him. Looking forward to him moving forward. I liked his last race

how things changed..in less than 3 seconds..winner ..derby fav...OFF the trail..ouch

Secretriat34 04-07-2017 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by taxicab (Post 1085837)
McCraken...........love the breeding via Ivory Empress. :tro:


IVORY EMPRESS (USA) dkb/br. M, 2006 {9-e} DP = 11-5-16-0-2

speed and stamina in the female

Secretriat34 04-07-2017 01:00 PM

i look for a BIG effort from irish war cry in the Wood.

Some from florida say, the track on FOY day was drying out from terrible storms, and was sticky and cuppy.

I like IWC..and will find out in Nork whether or not the track was his issue.

Secretriat34 04-07-2017 01:19 PM



I like this animals look on the track, his shoulders are impressive, he wired the Holy Bull field, I hope he does well

It took one lackluster 1 1/16-mile run around the Gulfstream Park track March 4 for the son of Curlin to go from unbeaten upstart who defeated the reigning juvenile champion to a 3-year-old on the outside looking in where his prospects for the first Saturday in May are concerned.

Secretriat34 04-07-2017 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by knickslions2 (Post 1085831)
Mastery is faster then Irish war cry

NOT NOW!....:rolleyes:

declansharbor 04-07-2017 07:33 PM

I got a kick out of Andy Serling's thoughts on McCraken on ATR this pst week.

Love the show, esp around this time of year!


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