The First Amendment

dellinger63 · #1 08-07-2010, 08:00 AM

seems to be more in effect for some than others. less than 5 years ago and 5 miles away the skinheads were allowed to march and actually protected while heiling hitler and generally acting like a bunch of clowns .

What makes this clown any different than them? Especially since he's 64 and has the name Arjunsinh Sindha. The question may have been serious?

http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/2...bway08.article

Danzig · #2 08-07-2010, 08:13 AM

i don't think this is an outrage dell. the guy had no business going up to someone and asking such a thing.

dellinger63 · #3 08-07-2010, 10:39 AM

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i don't think this is an outrage dell. the guy had no business going up to someone and asking such a thing.

I agree but this does not warrant a fine or even police involvement. Indians hate Pakis and vice versa. It has nothing to do with terrorism or anything to do with America for that matter. The Paki has the right to no longer patronize that Subway and let it go at that.

Danzig · #4 08-07-2010, 11:04 AM

so...people should be able to come up to you and freely insult you and you should have no recourse? i disagree. and because they have a 'tradition' of not liking each other, there should be nothing done? i think the restaurant worker was out of line, and he should be fired as well.

dellinger63 · #5 08-08-2010, 08:50 AM

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so...people should be able to come up to you and freely insult you and you should have no recourse? i disagree. and because they have a 'tradition' of not liking each other, there should be nothing done? i think the restaurant worker was out of line, and he should be fired as well.

turns out the restaurant worker is actually the restaurant owner. Don't think he'll be firing himself anytime soon. Sticks and stones etc. What is this country coming to when grown men can't break each others balls and little girls can't sell lemonade? And if the Paki had a set he would have invited the old Indian man outside not run home to his mom (the police)

brianwspencer · #6 08-08-2010, 10:57 AM

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so...people should be able to come up to you and freely insult you and you should have no recourse? i disagree.

Really? Somewhat surprised that you feel that way.

Insults in a private conversation should now be legally actionable?

If being moronic and insulting is a crime now, we're in big trouble.

Especially CSC.

Danzig · #7 08-08-2010, 01:24 PM

i know brian, i just think there's a fine line....hard to say really if it should be allowed or not. i just don't know that people should freely be able to come up and say things like that. put yourself in the customers shoes, should someone be able to say something like that to you with no worry at all? hey, it's free speech, but as holmes said, that doesn't allow shouting fire in a crowded theatre. i wonder what he'd say about this. is it free speech, or something more akin to verbal assault? is there such a thing? if there is, is this it? if a guy walked up to a lady and said i hear there's whores here, are you one, would that be harassment? if so, why wasn't this harassment? imo, this isn't similar to a protest, which isn't on a personal level. this was very much personal.

brianwspencer · #8 08-08-2010, 01:40 PM

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i know brian, i just think there's a fine line....hard to say really if it should be allowed or not. i just don't know that people should freely be able to come up and say things like that. put yourself in the customers shoes, should someone be able to say something like that to you with no worry at all? hey, it's free speech, but as holmes said, that doesn't allow shouting fire in a crowded theatre. i wonder what he'd say about this. is it free speech, or something more akin to verbal assault? is there such a thing? if there is, is this it? if a guy walked up to a lady and said i hear there's whores here, are you one, would that be harassment? if so, why wasn't this harassment? imo, this isn't similar to a protest, which isn't on a personal level. this was very much personal.

I don't think that a one-off comment could be, or should be, considered harassment. I think it's considered being an a$shole, which people do every day. In a one-on-one conversation where there's no public slander/libel issues to deal with, just being rude, or just being mean, or just being tasteless should hardly be grounds for fining people or taking legal action against them. It's entirely different than the "fire in a movie theater" comparison, because nobody is put in danger by the owner of a freaking sandwich shop being mean to someone once.

I've had worse things said to my face on dozens of occasions in my life and never once thought about calling the cops, nor do I think it's reasonable that I should be able to.

I think this story is positively ridiculous, and the idea that being mean to someone once with no recurring harassment issues is grounds for legal action of any kind is absurd.

If this is the case, the City of Chicago could pay all of their bills every year just by sending cops in on "mean patrol" into bars by Wrigley Field all season long. At $75 a pop, they'd be rich, if being mean is now against the law.

Unbelievable.

Honu · #9 08-08-2010, 02:10 PM

So all those years ago when I was still riding races and I came back from a bone-head ride and the trainer called me the dumbest biotch to ever sit a saddle, I should have called the cops on him ? LOL Yeah right. Or how about the fans that call you names and cuss you out on the way back to the jocks room?
People shouldnt be so thin skinned, had the man said Id like to shoot you because you are a scum bag then yeah by all means call the cops on him.

brianwspencer · #10 08-08-2010, 02:18 PM

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So all those years ago when I was still riding races and I came back from a bone-head ride and the trainer called me the dumbest biotch to ever sit a saddle, I should have called the cops on him ? LOL Yeah right. Or how about the fans that call you names and cuss you out on the way back to the jocks room?
People shouldnt be so thin skinned, had the man said Id like to shoot you because you are a scum bag then yeah by all means call the cops on him.

Well, come on, a crappy ride costs bettors and owners and trainers a lot money, but big deal right? That's a significantly less egregious offense than ruining a guy's lunch at SUBWAY lol

And as for being thin-skinned, I'm notoriously thin-skinned. But there's a huge difference between getting upset when people are mean, or crude, or tasteless or offensive, and freaking calling the cops on them for doing that.

I don't think it's out of line to expect that people will flash an ounce of class and not do things like that, but that's an entirely different conversation from getting them arrested for hurting your feelings. Christ.

Danzig · #11 08-08-2010, 03:32 PM

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Well, come on, a crappy ride costs bettors and owners and trainers a lot money, but big deal right? That's a significantly less egregious offense than ruining a guy's lunch at SUBWAY lol

And as for being thin-skinned, I'm notoriously thin-skinned. But there's a huge difference between getting upset when people are mean, or crude, or tasteless or offensive, and freaking calling the cops on them for doing that.

I don't think it's out of line to expect that people will flash an ounce of class and not do things like that, but that's an entirely different conversation from getting them arrested for hurting your feelings. Christ.

yeah, you're right. i guess it's more a rudeness thing than anything else. it's just a shame when people take something that's supposed to be an admirable right, and being an ahole and using it as a justification for being a rude sob.

dellinger63 · #12 08-08-2010, 06:49 PM

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yeah, you're right. i guess it's more a rudeness thing than anything else. it's just a shame when people take something that's supposed to be an admirable right, and being an ahole and using it as a justification for being a rude sob.

this isolated situation still has to do w/the Paki not standing up for himself. C'mon the Indian was 64 freakin years old.

dellinger63 · #13 08-08-2010, 06:59 PM

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this isolated situation still has to do w/the Paki not standing up for himself. C'mon the Indian was 64 freakin years old.

I think back home his inlaws would chop his head off or at least geld the worthless infidel. Calling the police is funny. Hopefully he has no children!