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Old 06-12-2008, 02:26 PM
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Default 6/14-15 (BEL): Phipps H. (Gr. I); Jaipur H. (Gr. III)

8th (4:43) Scottish Monk S.

1 Mile (Turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $75,000

1 Like Now Coa E M 121 L
2 British Blue Chavez J F 121 L
3 Wood Be Willing Bejarano R 121 L
4 Storm in May Velasquez C 121 L
5 Baron Von Tap Maragh R 121 L
6 Sahara Heat Luzzi M J 119 L
7 Yankee Master Garcia Alan 121 L
8 Classic Campaign Velazquez J R 121 L
9 Tam Lin (GB) Castellano J J 121 L
10 Cosmonaut Prado E S 123 L



9th (5:15) Ogden Phipps H. (G1)

1 1/16 Miles | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $300,000

2 Mistical Plan Velasquez C 116 L
1 Spring Waltz Castellano J J 119 L
3 Moon Catcher Prado E S 116 L
4 Golden Velvet Coa E M 117 L
5 Cowgirls Don't Cry Luzzi M J 115 L
6 Spectacular Malibu Velazquez J R 114 L
1A Ginger Punch Bejarano R 123 L

A-Coupled: Spring Waltz and Ginger Punch



9th (5:15) Jaipur S. (G3)

6 Furlongs (Inner turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $150,000

1 Salute the Count Prado E S 118 L
2 Port Royal Velazquez J R 118 L
3 Mohegan Sky Garcia Alan 117 L
4 Emirates to Dubai Gomez G K 122 L
5 Silver Timber Velasquez C 118 L
6 First Defence Castellano J J 118 L
7 Frisco Star Chavez J F 118 L
8 Metro Meteor Luzzi M J 118 L
9 True to Tradition Coa E M 118 L
10 Hollywood Left Desormeaux K J 118 L
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Old 06-12-2008, 02:27 PM
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i read somewhere that they were going to run spring waltz in a turf race in the following week or two, but that was a few days ago.
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Old 06-12-2008, 03:04 PM
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Boy, that sure is some renewal of the Phipps.
The Fleur de Lis is just as bad, if not worse. The older filly and mare division is ugly save a few.
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Old 06-12-2008, 04:16 PM
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i read somewhere that they were going to run spring waltz in a turf race in the following week or two, but that was a few days ago.
Entered "as a precaution"... (?)

What does that mean?

http://www.nyra.com/belmont/stories/...hippsAdv.shtml
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Old 06-12-2008, 04:24 PM
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It means he's a dick.

Nothing that man ever says is straight and true.

My guess is he'll run SW because he said they were going to run her elsewhere.
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Old 06-12-2008, 04:31 PM
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It means he's a dick.

Nothing that man ever says is straight and true.

My guess is he'll run SW because he said they were going to run her elsewhere.


Thanks for clearing that up for me.
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Old 06-12-2008, 04:48 PM
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Thanks for clearing that up for me.
And YOU had to ask the question..............
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Old 06-12-2008, 06:25 PM
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Boy, that sure is some renewal of the Phipps.

The older divisions are a horrible mess... a far cry from what once was..

It seems like just yesterday I was going to Belmont to see Heavenly Prize run against Sky Beauty in this race... Or Mossflower pulling off one of the most devistating performances ive ever seen in a Grade 1...

Those were the days...
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Old 06-13-2008, 12:29 PM
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Ginger Punch has a quarter crack and if she doesn't run than Spring Waltz will. If Ginger Punch runs, then Spring will run on the turf.
At least that is my understanding of the situation.
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Old 06-13-2008, 12:39 PM
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With all the company Ginger Punch will have up front, you'd think he would still keep Spring Waltz in. She and Golden Velvet are about the only other interesting horses in this race w/ GP.
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Old 06-13-2008, 01:00 PM
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Like Now? Has he even run since the 2006 Preakness?
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Old 06-13-2008, 09:47 PM
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Like Now? Has he even run since the 2006 Preakness?
He had surgery to remove a chip after the Preakness. Has really been off his form. He did have that huge move at Saratoga last summer but Mclaughlin has really had trouble figuring him out. Plus the owners are very INVOLVED and have pushed him into spots he didn't belong. New trainer and the owners are now agreeing to try him on the turf. He is decently bred for it and his style of running lends itself to the turf. But I am not sure he really wants to run anymore. He was one of my favorites before he won the Gotham and ran a very strong second to Showing-Up in the Lexington. The owners then wanted a joc change to Go Go who really had no confidence in the horse and rode him like that. He is worth a look because if he is on and the turf is firm, he could demolish this field. But the handicapper in me says his days are probably over in terms of stakes company.
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Old 06-13-2008, 10:23 PM
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Spring Waltz is supposed to go in the New York Handicap on the turf, which I believe is next week, and I fail to see what is wrong with Frankel entering her in this race in case during the time between entries and tomorrow morning something happens to Ginger Punch.

The whole division is pretty weak, but all things considered, this is an OK race. Zenyatta is in California, Lady Joanne is laid up, and unfortunately Lear's Princess doesn't seem to have maintained her form from last year. But, Moon Cathcer showed some real promise last year and could improve this year for Christophe Clement. Golden Velvet is coming off a huge win in the Sixty Sails. Cowgirls Don't Cry, who I don't think has much of a chance, did win the Shuvee impressively, and even Doug O'Neill ships Mistical Plan from California. Considering what is available, this is a good race. I'm not saying it's a great race but it's not as bad as some are suggesting.
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Old 06-14-2008, 08:49 AM
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I think Golden Velvet is a nice filly. She's no Zenyatta, but she can win the Phipps, esp. if Ginger Punch is not at her best.
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Old 06-14-2008, 09:25 AM
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The older divisions are a horrible mess... a far cry from what once was..

It seems like just yesterday I was going to Belmont to see Heavenly Prize run against Sky Beauty in this race... Or Mossflower pulling off one of the most devistating performances ive ever seen in a Grade 1...

Those were the days...
I remember Inside Information, boy did she love Belmont and or the slop.
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Old 06-14-2008, 10:59 AM
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He might not be good enough and the post isn't ideal, but Hollywood Left is going to run a big race. . .
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Old 06-14-2008, 11:38 AM
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He might not be good enough and the post isn't ideal, but Hollywood Left is going to run a big race. . .
He always seems to disappoint me.
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Zenyatta is in California, Lady Joanne is laid up, and unfortunately Lear's Princess doesn't seem to have maintained her form from last year.
I don't think anyone knows this officially, but Lady Joanne is retired and I believe has been bred.
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I don't think anyone knows this officially, but Lady Joanne is retired and I believe has been bred.
I saw Christmas Kid's half-sibling is entered today, by chance, do you know where Christmas Kid is being pointed?
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Old 06-14-2008, 11:49 AM
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He always seems to disappoint me.
He's training really well and he's going to like 6F.
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