Penn National arrests

[randallscott35]

What was the clocker injected with?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

What was the clocker injected with?

Supposedly took cash for phony works.

[MISTERGEE]

from what ive heard over the years published works are mostly a bunch of crap anyway, for varying reasons.
Thanks for letting me know that was Rogers wife, I dont throw out his horses either, Or yours either Cannon, but maybe for different reasons

[Payson Dave]

Originally Posted by MISTERGEE

from what ive heard over the years published works are mostly a bunch of crap anyway, for varying reasons.
Thanks for letting me know that was Rogers wife, I dont throw out his horses either, Or yours either Cannon, but maybe for different reasons

the great majority of published works are accurate....the published final time of a work however only tells a small part of the story....was it slow early then quick late....what was the gallop out ....how much encouragement was the rider giving the horse....did the horse get out on the turn...lots of other factors other than published final time determine whether it was a good work

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Payson Dave

the great majority of published works are accurate....the published final time of a work however only tells a small part of the story....was it slow early then quick late....what was the gallop out ....how much encouragement was the rider giving the horse....did the horse get out on the turn...lots of other factors other than published final time determine whether it was a good work

Agreed and that should be obvious to the class of handicapper here....at the same time, false times(or works of fiction) should be prosecuted.

[MISTERGEE]

there are too many of the works of fiction to make them believable

[Payson Dave]

Originally Posted by MISTERGEE

there are too many of the works of fiction to make them believable

Respectfully disagree

[pointman]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Another legal question would be do you think the Feds are avoiding dealing with the trainer responsibility rule seeing as they arrested Rogers wife and not him? Or would being spouse or him asking her to do it have any effect? Just wondering that if these cases wind up with convictions what would that do to the status of trainer responsibility? I know from my own point of view if I could be guilty of a felony because of a mistake of someone else or because of environmental contamination or an error in the testing lad I'd seriously consider a new line of work. As it is now we are in a tenuous position under the TR rule and I had an issue with a faulty lab before so it does happen.

I can't talk specifically about this situation, but I have a hard time believing the Feds would be interested in lasix, minor drug injections or holding someone responsible vicariously. The article says race fixing which I would have to think there is a lot more going on than just a few injections.

In general, the Feds don't move to arrest people in an ongoing scheme until they have enough evidence on them to prosecute them ten times over. They like to compile enough cases against people so that if one develops problems, they have nine other cases that are rock solid. I have to think that this investigation has been ongoing for a long time and they have some serious evidence which almost always includes having the accused on wires and possibly video talking about the criminal scheme they are engaging in.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Cardus

You should be safe.

Wells had a really high win percentage.

Is 29% not considered high anymore?

I believe that his ex's axe to grind is probably his downfall. Thankfully all my exes live in Texas and still love me so.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Is 29% not considered high anymore?

I believe that his ex's axe to grind is probably his downfall. Thankfully all my exes live in Texas and still love me so.

I know at Monmouth and Delaware that is run of the mill, not sure about Penn these days.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pointman

I can't talk specifically about this situation, but I have a hard time believing the Feds would be interested in lasix, minor drug injections or holding someone responsible vicariously. The article says race fixing which I would have to think there is a lot more going on than just a few injections.

In general, the Feds don't move to arrest people in an ongoing scheme until they have enough evidence on them to prosecute them ten times over. They like to compile enough cases against people so that if one develops problems, they have nine other cases that are rock solid. I have to think that this investigation has been ongoing for a long time and they have some serious evidence which almost always includes having the accused on wires and possibly video talking about the criminal scheme they are engaging in.

Supposedly they have more coming though with the original group Webb and Rogers in particular it cant be a coincidence that they recently admitted to illegally treating horses.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

I know at Monmouth and Delaware that is run of the mill, not sure about Penn these days.

Dont forget Laurel, winter home of many JT's

[cmorioles]

My former home track, which I've also abandoned.

[Duvalier]

So what about other fairly recent attempts to administer medications or foreign substances into horses outside the prescribed times that took place in New York and Tampa and other tracks throughout the country. Are the feds or state agencies going to go look into those incidents for fraud? Horses working at a different track under an assumed name while being stabled at a racetrack in another completely different state prior to running in a stakes race...pretty much seems kind of the same as a clocker making up fake times.


How about the people caught redhanded milkshaking horses? Are indictments coming for them for committing fraud?

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Duvalier

So what about other fairly recent attempts to administer medications or foreign substances into horses outside the prescribed times that took place in New York and Tampa and other tracks throughout the country. Are the feds or state agencies going to go look into those incidents for fraud? Horses working at a different track under an assumed name while being stabled at a racetrack in another completely different state prior to running in a stakes race...pretty much seems kind of the same as a clocker making up fake times.


How about the people caught redhanded milkshaking horses? Are indictments coming for them for committing fraud?

Lets see if they can actually get anything accomplished with this one first!

[freddymo]

Innocent until proven guilty folks this is Waterville Pa. not Antwerp

[Duvalier]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Innocent until proven guilty folks this is Waterville Pa. not Antwerp

C'mon Fred...a little extra lasix and getting indicted, facing 50 years and a $500,000 fine? Why not go after the real cheaters to make a statement?

[tanner12oz]

When did this story break? Cuz someone mentioned something about ongoing investigations in pa on another forum yesterday. Kinda ironic

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Duvalier

So what about other fairly recent attempts to administer medications or foreign substances into horses outside the prescribed times that took place in New York and Tampa and other tracks throughout the country. Are the feds or state agencies going to go look into those incidents for fraud? Horses working at a different track under an assumed name while being stabled at a racetrack in another completely different state prior to running in a stakes race...pretty much seems kind of the same as a clocker making up fake times.


How about the people caught redhanded milkshaking horses? Are indictments coming for them for committing fraud?

perhaps.
feds got involved because of interstate crime. so, conceivably, any trainer busted at a track could face federal charges due to wagering being interstate commerce.

[randallscott35]

Wells trained Rapid Redux to 22 in a row. McGwire would be proud.