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GPK 11-22-2013 08:31 AM

Penn National arrests
 
From twitter world. @raypaulick and @centerfarms just confirmed minutes ago.

dellinger63 11-22-2013 08:47 AM

FBI involved mmmm:confused:

dellinger63 11-22-2013 08:52 AM

Race Fixing
 
prelim story

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20...ing_in_PA.html

randallscott35 11-22-2013 09:24 AM

This should be good

MaTH716 11-22-2013 09:47 AM

Wonder if NYRA will cut ties to Penn.

geojr130 11-22-2013 09:49 AM

The over/under line on the Beatties is 2.
I will take the over

randallscott35 11-22-2013 09:50 AM

Chuck accounted for?

10 pnt move up 11-22-2013 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by geojr130 (Post 954849)
The over/under line on the Beatties is 2.
I will take the over

your gonna make Freddy cry.

Kasept 11-22-2013 10:05 AM

All tied to those ongoing investigations that threatened these actions: David Wells, Trish Rogers, Sam Webb and an unnamed clocker.

randallscott35 11-22-2013 10:12 AM

A clocker? Hmmm.

Rudeboyelvis 11-22-2013 11:14 AM

Wells, Rogers and Webb along with Clocker Danny Robertson arrested on federal fraud charges - per Ray Paulick. Link to indictments:

http://www.paulickreport.com/news/ra...penn-national/

Cannon Shell 11-22-2013 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 954850)
Chuck accounted for?

I'm hiding from CIA

randallscott35 11-22-2013 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 954859)
I'm hiding from CIA

Thank God. I'll send you a few 2 yr olds when I can

MISTERGEE 11-22-2013 11:41 AM

no wonder i never threw out a david wells horse, not as familiar with the others

MISTERGEE 11-22-2013 11:42 AM

what ever happened to scooter davis?

Rudeboyelvis 11-22-2013 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MISTERGEE (Post 954865)
what ever happened to scooter davis?

Witness protection

10 pnt move up 11-22-2013 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 954857)
Wells, Rogers and Webb along with Clocker Danny Robertson arrested on federal fraud charges - per Ray Paulick. Link to indictments:

http://www.paulickreport.com/news/ra...penn-national/

hmm, the Feds, an interesting dynamic since its not just a suspension from the local racing board that they can appeal and then just run in anothers name, this may actually scare a few of the cheaters out there if we are talking about jail time.

Cannon Shell 11-22-2013 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up (Post 954871)
hmm, the Feds, an interesting dynamic since its not just a suspension from the local racing board that they can appeal and then just run in anothers name, this may actually scare a few of the cheaters out there if we are talking about jail time.

I would like to hear a lawyers take on arresting Rogers and Webb. Webb was caught injecting something (not sure what) in a horse he had running and the horse was scratched and he got 30 or 60 days from PA racing commission which he served. Rogers was caught by same investigators injecting additional 2 cc of lasix to horse in that day. I believe she is appealing. My question is can a violation of state rules be minor enough to only get relatively light license suspension be serious enough to qualify as Fraud in a Federal court? Especially in the Rogers case where the same med was used by every other horse in the race admittedly at a slightly lower level. I'd think you'd have a tough time convincing a judge that 2 cc of lasix would have enough of an influence being that you'd easily get a 100 credible witness to testify that it would likely have little effect on the results.

randallscott35 11-22-2013 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 954873)
I would like to hear a lawyers take on arresting Rogers and Webb. Webb was caught injecting something (not sure what) in a horse he had running and the horse was scratched and he got 30 or 60 days from PA racing commission which he served. Rogers was caught by same investigators injecting additional 2 cc of lasix to horse in that day. I believe she is appealing. My question is can a violation of state rules be minor enough to only get relatively light license suspension be serious enough to qualify as Fraud in a Federal court? Especially in the Rogers case where the same med was used by every other horse in the race admittedly at a slightly lower level. I'd think you'd have a tough time convincing a judge that 2 cc of lasix would have enough of an influence being that you'd easily get a 100 credible witness to testify that it would likely have little effect on the results.

So the glove doesn't fit?

Cannon Shell 11-22-2013 12:19 PM

Another legal question would be do you think the Feds are avoiding dealing with the trainer responsibility rule seeing as they arrested Rogers wife and not him? Or would being spouse or him asking her to do it have any effect? Just wondering that if these cases wind up with convictions what would that do to the status of trainer responsibility? I know from my own point of view if I could be guilty of a felony because of a mistake of someone else or because of environmental contamination or an error in the testing lad I'd seriously consider a new line of work. As it is now we are in a tenuous position under the TR rule and I had an issue with a faulty lab before so it does happen.


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