Calm down Calvin - Page 2

Princess Doreen · #21 11-05-2010, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Seattleallstar

props to Martin Garcia for the way he handled things as he was the one out of all of them who had all the reason to get upset, nice to know he remembers he had a mom who raised him right.

I asked before and no one responsed - did it or did it not look like Calvin gave Martin an assist in getting him back into his saddle when he became unseated.

What a schittee day of racing.

Kingturf · #22 11-05-2010, 09:28 PM

2 races later the police had to escort Calvin from the track to the jockey room right before he made it the tunnel, they (police) was restraining him again and he was pissed. I think it was due to; some patron said something vulgar towards him.

The Indomitable DrugS · #23 11-05-2010, 10:28 PM

Javier Castallano is the one who threw the first punch...albeit after Borel was pointing his finger in his face and shouting at him.

If this happened in a football game ... Borel would not get flagged at all - and Javier would get a 15 yard personal foul and perhaps get ejected.

Princess Doreen · #24 11-05-2010, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Javier Castallano is the one who threw the first punch...albeit after Borel was pointing his finger in his face and shouting at him.

If this happened in a football game ... Borel would not get flagged at all - and Javier would get a 15 yard personal foul and perhaps get ejected.

This isn't football and what happened today was unprecedented - at least in any of the major races that have been on national tv.

Even Calvin's wife was giving him a ration of it to calm himself down.

Calvin proved himself to be a hot headed punk today. I think his future as a jockey is very much in jeopardy.

MaTH716 · #25 11-05-2010, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

This isn't football and what happened today was unprecedented - at least in any of the major races that have been on national tv.

Even Calvin's wife was giving him a ration of it to calm himself down.

Calvin proved himself to be a hot headed punk today. I think his future as a jockey is very much in jeopardy.

Let's not go crazy here. Why would it be in jeopardy?

Indian Charlie · #26 11-05-2010, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

Calvin proved himself to be a hot headed punk today. I think his future as a jockey is very much in jeopardy.

Did you really just say that?

wow.

What's next, Pletcher's future as a trainer will be very much in jeopardy?

Princess Doreen · #27 11-05-2010, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716

Let's not go crazy here. Why would it be in jeopardy?

Owners and trainers don't want to deal with hot heads - especially if that jockey is riding their horses after he's taken a postal hemorrhage on national TV. I don't care how strong Calvin Borel is, that kind of adrenalin expenditure has got to place a major effect on him for the rest of the day - maybe well into tomorrow when he starts thinking of all the repurcussions of what he did. If Sadler was able to use another jock on Tell A Kelly, he would have.

Not giving a pass to Castellano. He'll get a fine and/or a suspension. But Calvin should get the same. Classless!

Indian Charlie · #28 11-05-2010, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

Owners and trainers don't want to deal with hot heads - especially if that jockey is riding their horses after he's taken a postal hemorrhage on national TV. I don't care how strong Calvin Borel is, that kind of adrenalin expenditure has got to place a major effect on him for the rest of the day - maybe well into tomorrow when he starts thinking of all the repurcussions of what he did. If Sadler was able to use another jock on Tell A Kelly, he would have.

Not giving a pass to Castellano. He'll get a fine and/or a suspension. But Calvin should get the same. Classless!

Perhaps you'd feel different had you been the one that just had their life needlessly put in danger.

Dahoss · #29 11-05-2010, 11:10 PM

I think something being lost in all of this is Borel putting himself in a bad spot to begin with. By no means am I excusing Castellano. He was absolutely wrong and could have killed someone today. It's not the first time and he needs to be suspended.

I watched the blimp view of the race. Borel was going up into a spot that just wasn't there. He would have never gotten through and frankly if anyone should have been mad, it was Garcia. Now, I get Borel was probably upset and I totally get spur letting your emotions get the best of you in that spot. But, the same thing that put Calvin on the map is the same thing that got him in trouble today. Going into spots that most wouldn't or probably shouldn't.

Princess Doreen · #30 11-05-2010, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Perhaps you'd feel different had you been the one that just had their life needlessly put in danger.

My question has yet to be answered. Figures!

As far as having someone put my life in danger, that has happened. I would have been angry had it been intentional. I don't believe what JC did today was intentional, and I think Calvin has been around the block way too many times to realize it.

Fearless Leader · #31 11-05-2010, 11:16 PM

Maybe Castellano's father-in-law will send him to his room without any supper.

slotdirt · #32 11-05-2010, 11:20 PM

I'm sorry, but how is Calvin in the wrong here? if i were a pinhead and Javier Castellano nearly caused certain injury to me and other pinheads, I'd probably do the exact same thing Calvin did.

#33 11-05-2010, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

This isn't football and what happened today was unprecedented - at least in any of the major races that have been on national tv.

Even Calvin's wife was giving him a ration of it to calm himself down.

Calvin proved himself to be a hot headed punk today. I think his future as a jockey is very much in jeopardy.

This incident will have ZERO bearing on his future as a jockey. Things like this happen everyday. This unfortunately was played out on national TV. Tomorrow there will be a new crisis and everybody will move on.

Princess Doreen · #34 11-05-2010, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt

I'm sorry, but how is Calvin in the wrong here? if i were a pinhead and Javier Castellano nearly caused certain injury to me and other pinheads, I'd probably do the exact same thing Calvin did.

Javier is no pinhead. And, if it's open season on jocks beating up on other jocks, then that truly will be the death knell of horse racing.

And, is it really about injury that didn't happen or a jockey thinking his horse would have done better had the incident not happened?

The Indomitable DrugS · #35 11-05-2010, 11:26 PM

I think Borel was probably more upset because he had a lot of horse under him and was wiped out.

Garcia was on a horse that was 50-1 on the ML and Castallano was probably always expecting that 50/1 ML horse to his outside to fade .. Borel knew what he was doing squeezing in there ... and Castallano just decided he was going to stop waiting patiently for Garcia's longshot to fade and attack the hole before Borel could.

Dahoss · #36 11-05-2010, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt

I'm sorry, but how is Calvin in the wrong here? if i were a pinhead and Javier Castellano nearly caused certain injury to me and other pinheads, I'd probably do the exact same thing Calvin did.

I have no problem with him going after Castellano at all. I just think he was trying to go into a spot that wasn't there. Frankly, I thought the fight was great. It's a dangerous game and we saw it and it was great TV.

Castellano was totally wrong, he got DQ'd and I imagine he'll get suspended. But if you get a chance to watch a replay from the blimp view, check out the hole Borel is trying to get through.

Princess Doreen · #37 11-05-2010, 11:26 PM

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This incident will have ZERO bearing on his future as a jockey. Things like this happen everyday. This unfortunately was played out on national TV. Tomorrow there will be a new crisis and everybody will move on.

I value your opinion (check your PM's). But Calvin's career outside of Churchill needs a major shot in the arm and the incident today won't help.

#38 11-05-2010, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt

I'm sorry, but how is Calvin in the wrong here? if i were a pinhead and Javier Castellano nearly caused certain injury to me and other pinheads, I'd probably do the exact same thing Calvin did.

He's wrong because at this level a jockey MUST control his emotions and actions both on and off the track. That is why they have stewards.

Dahoss · #39 11-05-2010, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I think Borel was probably more upset because he had a lot of horse under him and was wiped out.

Garcia was on a horse that was 50-1 on the ML and Castallano was probably always expecting that 50/1 ML horse to his outside to fade .. Borel knew what he was doing squeezing in there ... and Castallano just decided he was going to stop waiting patiently for Garcia's longshot to fade and attack the hole before Borel could.

Totally agree. I also think Borel is so used to the sea parting for him, that he was taken back but it not happening, especially at Churchill.

Indian Charlie · #40 11-05-2010, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

My question has yet to be answered. Figures!

As far as having someone put my life in danger, that has happened. I would have been angry had it been intentional. I don't believe what JC did today was intentional, and I think Calvin has been around the block way too many times to realize it.

If there was a question anywhere in your slew of posts, I didn't see it.

Which explains things.