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Old 11-05-2010, 10:49 PM
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This isn't football and what happened today was unprecedented - at least in any of the major races that have been on national tv.

Even Calvin's wife was giving him a ration of it to calm himself down.

Calvin proved himself to be a hot headed punk today. I think his future as a jockey is very much in jeopardy.
Let's not go crazy here. Why would it be in jeopardy?
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Old 11-05-2010, 11:01 PM
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Let's not go crazy here. Why would it be in jeopardy?
Owners and trainers don't want to deal with hot heads - especially if that jockey is riding their horses after he's taken a postal hemorrhage on national TV. I don't care how strong Calvin Borel is, that kind of adrenalin expenditure has got to place a major effect on him for the rest of the day - maybe well into tomorrow when he starts thinking of all the repurcussions of what he did. If Sadler was able to use another jock on Tell A Kelly, he would have.

Not giving a pass to Castellano. He'll get a fine and/or a suspension. But Calvin should get the same. Classless!
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Old 11-05-2010, 11:02 PM
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Owners and trainers don't want to deal with hot heads - especially if that jockey is riding their horses after he's taken a postal hemorrhage on national TV. I don't care how strong Calvin Borel is, that kind of adrenalin expenditure has got to place a major effect on him for the rest of the day - maybe well into tomorrow when he starts thinking of all the repurcussions of what he did. If Sadler was able to use another jock on Tell A Kelly, he would have.

Not giving a pass to Castellano. He'll get a fine and/or a suspension. But Calvin should get the same. Classless!
Perhaps you'd feel different had you been the one that just had their life needlessly put in danger.
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Old 11-05-2010, 11:10 PM
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I think something being lost in all of this is Borel putting himself in a bad spot to begin with. By no means am I excusing Castellano. He was absolutely wrong and could have killed someone today. It's not the first time and he needs to be suspended.

I watched the blimp view of the race. Borel was going up into a spot that just wasn't there. He would have never gotten through and frankly if anyone should have been mad, it was Garcia. Now, I get Borel was probably upset and I totally get spur letting your emotions get the best of you in that spot. But, the same thing that put Calvin on the map is the same thing that got him in trouble today. Going into spots that most wouldn't or probably shouldn't.
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Old 11-05-2010, 11:11 PM
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Perhaps you'd feel different had you been the one that just had their life needlessly put in danger.
My question has yet to be answered. Figures!

As far as having someone put my life in danger, that has happened. I would have been angry had it been intentional. I don't believe what JC did today was intentional, and I think Calvin has been around the block way too many times to realize it.
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Old 11-05-2010, 11:16 PM
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Maybe Castellano's father-in-law will send him to his room without any supper.
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Old 11-05-2010, 11:20 PM
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I'm sorry, but how is Calvin in the wrong here? if i were a pinhead and Javier Castellano nearly caused certain injury to me and other pinheads, I'd probably do the exact same thing Calvin did.
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Old 11-05-2010, 11:25 PM
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I'm sorry, but how is Calvin in the wrong here? if i were a pinhead and Javier Castellano nearly caused certain injury to me and other pinheads, I'd probably do the exact same thing Calvin did.
Javier is no pinhead. And, if it's open season on jocks beating up on other jocks, then that truly will be the death knell of horse racing.

And, is it really about injury that didn't happen or a jockey thinking his horse would have done better had the incident not happened?
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Old 11-05-2010, 11:26 PM
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I'm sorry, but how is Calvin in the wrong here? if i were a pinhead and Javier Castellano nearly caused certain injury to me and other pinheads, I'd probably do the exact same thing Calvin did.
I have no problem with him going after Castellano at all. I just think he was trying to go into a spot that wasn't there. Frankly, I thought the fight was great. It's a dangerous game and we saw it and it was great TV.

Castellano was totally wrong, he got DQ'd and I imagine he'll get suspended. But if you get a chance to watch a replay from the blimp view, check out the hole Borel is trying to get through.
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Old 11-05-2010, 11:28 PM
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I'm sorry, but how is Calvin in the wrong here? if i were a pinhead and Javier Castellano nearly caused certain injury to me and other pinheads, I'd probably do the exact same thing Calvin did.
He's wrong because at this level a jockey MUST control his emotions and actions both on and off the track. That is why they have stewards.
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Old 11-05-2010, 11:26 PM
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I think Borel was probably more upset because he had a lot of horse under him and was wiped out.

Garcia was on a horse that was 50-1 on the ML and Castallano was probably always expecting that 50/1 ML horse to his outside to fade .. Borel knew what he was doing squeezing in there ... and Castallano just decided he was going to stop waiting patiently for Garcia's longshot to fade and attack the hole before Borel could.
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Old 11-05-2010, 11:28 PM
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I think Borel was probably more upset because he had a lot of horse under him and was wiped out.

Garcia was on a horse that was 50-1 on the ML and Castallano was probably always expecting that 50/1 ML horse to his outside to fade .. Borel knew what he was doing squeezing in there ... and Castallano just decided he was going to stop waiting patiently for Garcia's longshot to fade and attack the hole before Borel could.
Totally agree. I also think Borel is so used to the sea parting for him, that he was taken back but it not happening, especially at Churchill.
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Old 11-05-2010, 11:36 PM
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Don't disagree with the hole Calvin was trying to go through being most likely on the smaller side. I'm just saying, I think Calvin was like 10 percent in the wrong and Castellano 90 percent.
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Old 11-05-2010, 11:47 PM
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Princess, I also thought it looked like Calvin sort of stuck his arm out and gave Martin Garcia a boost, or whatever you want to call it. I wondered if I was seeing things, too.
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Old 11-05-2010, 11:34 PM
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My question has yet to be answered. Figures!

As far as having someone put my life in danger, that has happened. I would have been angry had it been intentional. I don't believe what JC did today was intentional, and I think Calvin has been around the block way too many times to realize it.
If there was a question anywhere in your slew of posts, I didn't see it.

Which explains things.
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Old 11-05-2010, 11:41 PM
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If there was a question anywhere in your slew of posts, I didn't see it.

Which explains things.
It explains that people don't read other people's posts or half-ass read them.

Here's the question - now posted for the 3rd time -

<<I asked before and no one responsed - did it or did it not look like Calvin gave Martin an assist in getting him back into his saddle when he became unseated.>>
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Old 11-06-2010, 12:19 AM
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It explains that people don't read other people's posts or half-ass read them.

Here's the question - now posted for the 3rd time -

<<I asked before and no one responsed - did it or did it not look like Calvin gave Martin an assist in getting him back into his saddle when he became unseated.>>
Yeah, I guess.

Maybe it's that it's a ridiculous question?

I noticed no such thing, but I wasn't obsessed with watching it over and over again either.
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Old 11-06-2010, 12:15 AM
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I don't believe what JC did today was intentional
100% intentional when you study it.

I'm sure he probably would have felt bad if Garcia fell... but Javier had a lot of horse and was really in the stages of being stuck in a bigtime trap at a decisive point in the race.

A slow horse in front of him - a rail to his left - and an equally slow horse to his right.

I guess you can also blame Garcia's horse for not fading .. but that's about it.
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Old 11-06-2010, 09:43 AM
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My question has yet to be answered. Figures!

As far as having someone put my life in danger, that has happened. I would have been angry had it been intentional. I don't believe what JC did today was intentional, and I think Calvin has been around the block way too many times to realize it.
WHAT?????????? Oh the horse did it on its own. WOW!!!!!!!!
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A good rogering would curb the feigned outrage. Help her out, fp.
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