Howard Baker passes

[Danzig]

ditto to mclem.

now, i'm not particularly happy with how things have gone since obama took over-but what rules of law are we talking about, old dog?

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Danzig

ditto to mclem.

now, i'm not particularly happy with how things have gone since obama took over-but what rules of law are we talking about, old dog?

My opinion is no better or worse than Rudes, Joey's, yours, Jims, Coaches etc...As with most things in life ( I believe) the truth is somewhere in the middle. I get frustrated with the "absolutists" who feel it's their way or the highway. That leads to extremists and that leads to trouble....no matter which way you lean.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by GBBob

My opinion is no better or worse than Rudes, Joey's, yours, Jims, Coaches etc...As with most things in life ( I believe) the truth is somewhere in the middle. I get frustrated with the "absolutists" who feel it's their way or the highway. That leads to extremists and that leads to trouble....no matter which way you lean.

Speaking of extremists

http://www.alternet.org/belief/why-d...you?page=0%2C0

[Pants II]

Oh hell lets just say it...we want the Republicans to be pretty much like the Democrats. We'll let them be pro Military-Industrial complex.

Just have an affinity for spending other people's money.

In a country where those who are fortunate enough to have jobs actually hate their jobs...

well...piss on admiring the idiots who have helped destroy the economy.

The wound is still festering. Keep thinking we're out of the woods.

[GenuineRisk]

There are many things I dislike about the NYTimes, but they do great obits. That was a fascinating read about a very interesting man.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by jms62

Speaking of extremists

http://www.alternet.org/belief/why-d...you?page=0%2C0

That article is complete nonsense. What a joke! The author thinks that every time a Christian claims that their religious freedom is being suppressed that it is a lie. I will quote him. Here is how he categorizes each case when the victim is Christian. Notice how he starts each sentence by simply claiming that each thing is a lie:

"Tell a lie about how a sergeant was persecuted for simply holding that religious belief to paint yourself as the “real” victim".

"Tell lies about how kids are being punished for having private prayers all to themselves."

"Spread a false tale claiming that people aren’t allowed private ownership of religious cards."

Now if a non-Christian is discriminated against in any way, it is almost definitely true. But if a Christian is discriminated against, it is definitely a lie, and just a ploy on the part of the Christian to impose his views on others. That sounds like a credible argument. LOL. Does this guy have any idea how ridiculous he sounds? Why would any publication even print something so absurd?

These liberal clowns have no shame. Any time something happens that hurts their narrative, they will just claim that the event never happened, that it was a lie. Many in the liberal media claimed that "The Knockout Game" doesn't exist. Now that it's all over the news and several police departments are talking about it, it's getting pretty hard for these clowns to keep denying that the game exists. These same clowns claim there is no voter fraud. Anyone with a brain knows that in any type of competition where money is involved, whether it's horseracing, cycling, baseball, politics, etc. that people will try to cheat. It's just a fact of life.

The shocking thing about it is that many people (mainly democrats) believe Obama and Holder when they say that the purpose of having voters show ID is to disenfranchise people. How could anybody believe this? How could anybody be against having to show ID when you vote? It's the only way to ensure legitimate elections. But Obama and Holder will tell you that there is no reason to show your ID when you vote.

I have a friend who is a liberal democrat and he is in his 60s and he believes what Obama and Holder say about voter fraud. He thinks it doesn't exist and any efforts to ask people for ID is simply a way to disenfranchise people. This friend of mine has listened to these liberal talking points for so long that he believes them. And this guy is a smart guy. It's incredible. Showing ID is about as likely to disenfranchise a legitimate voter as showing ID will stop a legitimate American traveler from getting on a plane. Nobody has a problem showing ID.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

That article is complete nonsense. What a joke! The author thinks that every time a Christian claims that their religious freedom is being suppressed that it is a lie. I will quote him. Here is how he categorizes each case when the victim is Christian. Notice how he starts each sentence by simply claiming that each thing is a lie:

"Tell a lie about how a sergeant was persecuted for simply holding that religious belief to paint yourself as the “real” victim".

"Tell lies about how kids are being punished for having private prayers all to themselves."

"Spread a false tale claiming that people aren’t allowed private ownership of religious cards."

Now if a non-Christian is discriminated against in any way, it is almost definitely true. But if a Christian is discriminated against, it is definitely a lie, and just a ploy on the part of the Christian to impose his views on others. That sounds like a credible argument. LOL. Does this guy have any idea how ridiculous he sounds? Why would any publication even print something so absurd?

These liberal clowns have no shame. Any time something happens that hurts their narrative, they will just claim that the event never happened, that it was a lie. Many in the liberal media claimed that "The Knockout Game" doesn't exist. Now that it's all over the news and several police departments are talking about it, it's getting pretty hard for these clowns to keep denying that the game exists. These same clowns claim there is no voter fraud. Anyone with a brain knows that in any type of competition where money is involved, whether it's horseracing, cycling, baseball, politics, etc. that people will try to cheat. It's just a fact of life.

The shocking thing about it is that many people (mainly democrats) believe Obama and Holder when they say that the purpose of having voters show ID is to disenfranchise people. How could anybody believe this? How could anybody be against having to show ID when you vote? It's the only way to ensure legitimate elections. But Obama and Holder will tell you that there is no reason to show your ID when you vote.

I have a friend who is a liberal democrat and he is in his 60s and he believes what Obama and Holder say about voter fraud. He thinks it doesn't exist and any efforts to ask people for ID is simply a way to disenfranchise people. This friend of mine has listened to these liberal talking points for so long that he believes them. And this guy is a smart guy. It's incredible. Showing ID is about as likely to disenfranchise a legitimate voter as showing ID will stop a legitimate American traveler from getting on a plane. Nobody has a problem showing ID.

[Rudeboyelvis]

I stand corrected - Byk had it 100% right the first time. The responses to the OP's initial post in this abortion of a thread are precisely why this room should have stayed extinguished. It's microcosmic example of why we can't have nice things

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

I stand corrected - Byk had it 100% right the first time. The responses to the OP's initial post in this abortion of a thread are precisely why this room should have stayed extinguished. It's microcosmic example of why we can't have nice things

I would hardly call this thread an abortion, as it is continuing.

I don't think anyone takes any of it all that seriously. The real shouters have been gone for some time; I don't ever get angry about anything I'm responding to. And y'all often post links to things I'd have missed reading about, otherwise. As for me, I need a board to distract me from how bad my handicapping is sucking this year.

[Danzig]

what christian has been discriminated against due to his religion?

and what's a religious card?

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Danzig

what christian has been discriminated against due to his religion?

and what's a religious card?

If you do an internet search you can find tons of christians being discriminated against due to their religion. Here is one example out of thousands:

3) California Christians Found “Not Guilty” of Reading Bible Near Government Offices:"A court has said that a pair of Christians were ‘allowed’ to read the Bible aloud outside the Department of Motor Vehicles in Hemet, California. Wasn’t it kind of the government courts in California to say that these Christians were allowed to have their rights to free religious expression? ...Back in 2011 Mark Mackey and Bret Coronado were arrested and charged with misdemeanor offenses for reading the Bible outside the DMV location. ... But on August 13, Superior Court Judge Timothy Freer found the men ‘not guilty’ of any offenses. ...Interestingly, the judge also pointed out that the law prosecutors tried to invoke was likely unconstitutional as it gave law enforcement overbroad powers to quash public gatherings in the first place. Sadly, this case did not go toward settling the constitutionality of the law, but it was a victory of sorts to have the judge even mention the fact."

Yes, there were actually Americans arrested for reading the Bible on public property. What do you think the chances are that two Muslims reading the Quran would have been arrested under the same circumstances?

http://townhall.com/columnists/johnh...1966/page/full

I don't necessarily agree that all the other examples on this site are legitimate examples of discrimination but I think the one that I posted definitely is.