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Old 05-17-2014, 10:58 PM
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Can the horse do it? Yes I think he can. The question is will the jockey who is not a regular rider at Belmont ask him too early or too late? It would benefit Victor Espinoza to have a few mounts that week at Belmont to get him use to the configuration.
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Old 05-18-2014, 12:12 AM
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Anything is possible but I do not expect him to win. As I have said before, I think when a horse wins the first two legs he is usually pretty knocked out for the Belmont. Not only that, I think the distance is a little long for CC. I'm a big fan of CC. I liked him in the Derby and Preakness but I don't like him in the Belmont at all. There will be plenty of fresh faces in there: Tonality, Bay of Plenty, possibly Candy Boy, and Commanding Curve to name a few.

Going 1 1/8 miles to 1 1/4 miles when he's fresh, I obviously think CC is the best horse. But going 1 1/2 miles when he's not fresh, I'll take my chances going against him. I will actually be surprised if he wins. To say it is difficult to win the TC is a huge understatement.
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Old 05-18-2014, 10:11 AM
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Can the horse do it? Yes I think he can. The question is will the jockey who is not a regular rider at Belmont ask him too early or too late? It would benefit Victor Espinoza to have a few mounts that week at Belmont to get him use to the configuration.
Agree that he needs to get a feel for the unique Belmont strip a few days before, BUT, I think his brother can be very helpful tohim in preparation as he has many years on it.

That said CC has had two great trips on the TC trail. All it takes is a bad break from the gate or a bad trip as he will be targeted by freshened shooters. Victor admitted to the mental presssures he felt as the race didnot go as he thought it would, good thing he is so experienced.
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Old 05-18-2014, 10:48 AM
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In a crop hit hard by injuries and setbacks to promising route horses like Shared Belief, New Year's Day, and Honor Code...

California Chrome has certainly been a great thing for racing. Let's pretend he wrenched an ankle after the Santa Anita Derby.

That leaves Commanding Curve as your Kentucky Derby winner:



Instead of wearing a blanket of roses and etched in history as a Kentucky Derby winner, Commanding Curve still has his N1X allowance condition.


Ride On Curlin, a horse who is 0-for-8 lifetime in stakes races, would be a Preakness winner by a lopsided margin:




These two horses are a combined 1-for-15 lifetime in races beyond the distance of 6 furlongs. The lone win coming in a Maiden Special Weight race.


California Chrome hasn't exactly had to beat anywhere near the level of competition that some other horses have, to get to the Belmont with a shot at the Triple Crown.

However, he'll get a very tough test in the Belmont. He's not as well suited to the distance as some of his rivals, and a third race in five weeks, at a third different race track, is a test in it's own right.

He doesn't exactly have an Easy Goer or a Coastal set to oppose him, but he's in for a very challenging test and he'll surely get the best male competition this crop has to offer at the moment...and most of them won't be making their 3rd start in five weeks, at their third different track.
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Old 05-18-2014, 11:01 AM
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California Chrome hasn't exactly had to beat anywhere near the level of competition that some other horses have, to get to the Belmont with a shot at the Triple Crown.

However, he'll get a very tough test in the Belmont. He's not as well suited to the distance as some of his rivals, and a third race in five weeks, at a third different race track, is a test in it's own right.

He doesn't exactly have an Easy Goer or a Coastal set to oppose him, but he's in for a very challenging test and he'll surely get the best male competition this crop has to offer at the moment...and most of them won't be making their 3rd start in five weeks, at their third different track.
Now, see, this post just makes me disappointed all over again about the 2004 Belmont.
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Old 05-18-2014, 11:12 AM
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i think hes in trouble..the dist and race riding may get to him late in the belmont..nyra is the real winner here..and lets be honest.we cant have a 10.5k investment win the crown.its bad for racing imo i dont think the owners will live long enough to hoist the trophy ..he looked like he was gonna code out yesterday....
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Old 05-18-2014, 11:36 AM
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i think hes in trouble..the dist and race riding may get to him late in the belmont..nyra is the real winner here..and lets be honest.we cant have a 10.5k investment win the crown.its bad for racing imo i dont think the owners will live long enough to hoist the trophy ..he looked like he was gonna code out yesterday....
I was thinking the same thing. That Coburn guy got beet red in the face. I thought he was going to have a stroke or a heart attack. Belmont folks may need to have a defibrillator handy.
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Old 05-18-2014, 11:41 AM
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I was thinking the same thing. That Coburn guy got beet red in the face. I thought he was going to have a stroke or a heart attack. Belmont folks may need to have a defibrillator handy.
I think he needs to cut down on race day medications...

But to answer the original question, no....
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Old 06-06-2014, 06:37 PM
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i think hes in trouble..the dist and race riding may get to him late in the belmont..nyra is the real winner here..and lets be honest.we cant have a 10.5k investment win the crown.its bad for racing imo i dont think the owners will live long enough to hoist the trophy ..he looked like he was gonna code out yesterday....
I disagree. Would you rather have a Doug Oneil or Richard Dutrow with repeated drug violations win a Triple Crown with owners as shady as the trainers themselves? PETA would love that.

I am glad Art Sherman and the owners with there small investment have a chance to win a TC.
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Old 06-06-2014, 10:52 PM
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Sherman has had violations, too, you know.
Yes but in comparison to Oneil and Dutrow he has significantly less violations
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