2013-2014 NBA Season

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

The Thunder play very good team defense. Maybe you should write Scott Brooks, you seem to think you know more than him about Jackson's D. They play a lot slower with Jackson than they do with Westbrook. Surely you realize that, right? That kind of changes how many points they give up.

By the way, the Thunder are one of the top users of these analytics you reference. They've been using them a long time.

The numbers are clear. The 5 man starting unit including Jackson is an extremely good unit and when you plug someone else in for him the numbers drop.

Just to be clear I'd love the Knicks to have a PG that's starting 5 unit whose defensive numbers were about the best in the game and who holds (or his presence allows the team to hold under the mysterious switching tactic only hassles Jacksons guy system) players like Damon Lillard and Ty Lawson and Kemb walker to 5-17 shooting nights and which the local papers call getting "scorched". What would they call the Ray Felton ole defense? Crime against humanity?

Essentially the guy has been groomed to be a backup PG and has had his role greatly increased because of Westbrook being hurt. He is playing more minutes and is playing against starting players as opposed to backups. Obviously he isnt as good as a player as Westbrook but his numbers are good for any reasonable expectation level.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The numbers are clear. The 5 man starting unit including Jackson is an extremely good unit and when you plug someone else in for him the numbers drop.

Just to be clear I'd love the Knicks to have a PG that's starting 5 unit whose defensive numbers were about the best in the game and who holds (or his presence allows the team to hold under the mysterious switching tactic only hassles Jacksons guy system) players like Damon Lillard and Ty Lawson and Kemb walker to 5-17 shooting nights and which the local papers call getting "scorched". What would they call the Ray Felton ole defense? Crime against humanity?

Essentially the guy has been groomed to be a backup PG and has had his role greatly increased because of Westbrook being hurt. He is playing more minutes and is playing against starting players as opposed to backups. Obviously he isnt as good as a player as Westbrook but his numbers are good for any reasonable expectation level.

He can probably be a starting PG for some teams. I never said he played bad I don't believe, just that a lot of people expected more than reasonable numbers. They expected more. With no Westbrook he isn't playing much more than he did with Russ.

http://m.newsok.com/okc-thunder-regg...rticle/3924138

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

He can probably be a starting PG for some teams. I never said he played bad I don't believe, just that a lot of people expected more than reasonable numbers. They expected more. With no Westbrook he isn't playing much more than he did with Russ.

http://m.newsok.com/okc-thunder-regg...rticle/3924138

Who expected more than 13-4-4 from him? Based on what? Who are these people who expected Reggie Jackson to become a close to max contract player?

He was averaging 24 mins a game with Westbrook. He hasnt played less 24 mins a game since except for a game he got into foul trouble. His last 3 games he is avg 35 mins a game.

The theme in Oklahoma may be that Jackson is a disappointment or isnt living up to expectations or is some sort of horrible defender but those theories arent supported by the numbers and seriously I dont know anyone who expected Jackson to do more than he is doing now.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Who expected more than 13-4-4 from him? Based on what? Who are these people who expected Reggie Jackson to become a close to max contract player?

He was averaging 24 mins a game with Westbrook. He hasnt played less 24 mins a game since except for a game he got into foul trouble. His last 3 games he is avg 35 mins a game.

The theme in Oklahoma may be that Jackson is a disappointment or isnt living up to expectations or is some sort of horrible defender but those theories arent supported by the numbers and seriously I dont know anyone who expected Jackson to do more than he is doing now.

In 12 games since Westbrook went down, he is averaging almost to the 100th of a point the same he did in the prior 12 with Westbrook, despite playing more. How is that not a disappointment? His assists are up about 1 a game despite handling the ball a lot more and playing more.

All I was saying was that if the guy stepped in a put up numbers as a starter at the same rate per minute that he did off the bench, he would have made himself a ton of money. But he isn't doing it, thus he saved the Thunder some cash if they want to keep him...simple as that.

[Duvalier]

Are you going to the game Tuesday? Great chance for the Thunder to make it a three way tie out West...Blazers and Spurs on back to back nights. Here's hoping Brooks saves a little something for Wednesday's ESPN game in San Antonio.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Duvalier

Are you going to the game Tuesday? Great chance for the Thunder to make it a three way tie out West...Blazers and Spurs on back to back nights. Here's hoping Brooks saves a little something for Wednesday's ESPN game in San Antonio.

Iffy...I'm heading to Vegas for the NHC the next morning, so I may let one of my kids have the tickets. Just depends how well I plan.

[Duvalier]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Iffy...I'm heading to Vegas for the NHC the next morning, so I may let one of my kids have the tickets. Just depends how well I plan.

Best of luck out there in the NHC

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

In 12 games since Westbrook went down, he is averaging almost to the 100th of a point the same he did in the prior 12 with Westbrook, despite playing more. How is that not a disappointment? His assists are up about 1 a game despite handling the ball a lot more and playing more.

All I was saying was that if the guy stepped in a put up numbers as a starter at the same rate per minute that he did off the bench, he would have made himself a ton of money. But he isn't doing it, thus he saved the Thunder some cash if they want to keep him...simple as that.

Your assertions are silly. He is playing against the other teams best players not the backups now. We are talking about a guy with 15 NBA starts. In case you hadn't noticed that Durant guy is taking an awful lot of shots lately.

This isnt high school. He is playing in higher leverage situations now and the last thing you want is him to press for better numbers especially considering that Derrick Fischer is your only other option.

This idea that you have that Jackson's play since starting has somehow cost him money 2 years from now is bizarre. Believe me he is going to get a lot more money that a guy off the bench not named Ginobelli is going to get. Like I said before he is looking at 8 million a year and a starting gig somewhere else.

With the extra playing time he has proven to be in the Brandon Jennings/ Brandon Knight category. Those types of guys are young starters making 8 million plus a year.

[Duvalier]

I'm not watching the game but Isaiah Thomas is lighting somebody up on the Thunder...27 at the half.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Duvalier

I'm not watching the game but Isaiah Thomas is lighting somebody up on the Thunder...27 at the half.

This would be Chucks starting 5...

Reggie Jackson
Jr smith
Melo
Amare
Italian stallion

They would give up 145 points a game, but Chuck would stick with them because they score a lot and have Melo.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Duvalier

I'm not watching the game but Isaiah Thomas is lighting somebody up on the Thunder...27 at the half.

Yeah, it was mostly Reggie. Brooks put Thabo on him in the 3Q and Thomas scored 2 points. But Reggie is a good defender, Chuck says so.

By the way, by these advance stats, Fisher is also a good defender. He was average 10 years ago, he stinks now.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Your assertions are silly. He is playing against the other teams best players not the backups now. We are talking about a guy with 15 NBA starts. In case you hadn't noticed that Durant guy is taking an awful lot of shots lately.

This isnt high school. He is playing in higher leverage situations now and the last thing you want is him to press for better numbers especially considering that Derrick Fischer is your only other option.

This idea that you have that Jackson's play since starting has somehow cost him money 2 years from now is bizarre. Believe me he is going to get a lot more money that a guy off the bench not named Ginobelli is going to get. Like I said before he is looking at 8 million a year and a starting gig somewhere else.

With the extra playing time he has proven to be in the Brandon Jennings/ Brandon Knight category. Those types of guys are young starters making 8 million plus a year.

Jackson played many minutes against other team's starters. That is so silly, to act like he only ever plays against back ups. He has had some very good games against other teams starters WITH KD and Russ on the floor. That is the difference between making 12-14 million and 6-8 million. At this point, he is showing he isn't really that guy that can do it on his own. Maybe it will change after next year, maybe not.

I never said he wouldn't make 8 million. But if he plays better, as many expected (not you of course, oh mighty seer), he could make plenty more. There was plenty of talk nationally that Reggie was playing himself out of OKC back in December.

If all he ever turns out to be is a Brandon Knight or Brandon Jennings, he'll be gone. They are overpaid for what they bring, and Presti won't overpay.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Jackson played many minutes against other team's starters. That is so silly, to act like he only ever plays against back ups. He has had some very good games against other teams starters WITH KD and Russ on the floor. That is the difference between making 12-14 million and 6-8 million. At this point, he is showing he isn't really that guy that can do it on his own. Maybe it will change after next year, maybe not.

I never said he wouldn't make 8 million. But if he plays better, as many expected (not you of course, oh mighty seer), he could make plenty more. There was plenty of talk nationally that Reggie was playing himself out of OKC back in December.

If all he ever turns out to be is a Brandon Knight or Brandon Jennings, he'll be gone. They are overpaid for what they bring, and Presti won't overpay.

That backups play a lot against other backups is a pretty basic theory. Didn't you just say that Westbrook sat a lot of 4th quarters out in blowouts? Wouldnt his backup being playing a lot of those blowout minutes? How can it be both?

If you or anyone else thought that Reggie Jackson was worth 12-14 million a year or was going to be worth that there is just no point discussing the topic any further.

Brandon Knight and Brandon Jennings arent worth 8 million a year but Jackson might be worth 14 million? Again outside of being a blind homer who thinks every Thunder 6th man is going to develop into an all star why would anyone think that Jackson would be anything more than what he is?