2013-2014 NBA Season

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Reggie is decent, but he was better suited to the 6th man role than a starting point guard. He has played a lot better the last couple. One thing is for sure, he has saved the Thunder a lot of money on his new contract.

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/pos...s-jackson-five

"In the ten games since Jackson has assumed starting duties, not one of his 10 matches has shot better than 50% from the field and only one shot better than 40%."

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/pos...s-jackson-five

"In the ten games since Jackson has assumed starting duties, not one of his 10 matches has shot better than 50% from the field and only one shot better than 40%."

Are you saying he has played good defense? Because Scott Brooks would STRONGLY disagree. He has been benched for more than once in games lately. The Thunder don't really play man on man, they switch everything. They don't double. Jackson has not been doing what he is supposed to do out there.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Are you saying he has played good defense? Because Scott Brooks would STRONGLY disagree. He has been benched for more than once in games lately. The Thunder don't really play man on man, they switch everything. They don't double. Jackson has not been doing what he is supposed to do out there.

He like to shot and he turns the ball over. Like I said I watched two full Thunder games this week. More then once I have watched KD loudly clap for the ball and be visually upset. This being while Jackson is dribbling, basically ignores Durant and throws something wild up.

[RockHardTen1985]

2 of the other 3 top NBA players having big games early tonight. Saw Durant and want to go off. Ones a total beat down so I doubt the #'s get that big....

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

He like to shot and he turns the ball over. Like I said I watched two full Thunder games this week. More then once I have watched KD loudly clap for the ball and be visually upset. This being while Jackson is dribbling, basically ignores Durant and throws something wild up.

oh ok. He must suck then because no good player ever has a bad game and Durant has never played with another player that ignores him and takes a bad shot...

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

He like to shot and he turns the ball over. Like I said I watched two full Thunder games this week. More then once I have watched KD loudly clap for the ball and be visually upset. This being while Jackson is dribbling, basically ignores Durant and throws something wild up.

Assuming that the two games you saw this week were against Houston and Golden State.
Jackson's combined line from those 2 games
37 points
17-32 FG's (55%)
15-22 on 2 point shots (68%)
1-1 FT's
4 reb
10 assists
9 steals
5 turnovers

[herkhorse]

You're up at 3 in the morning trying to reason the logic of PG1985?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Are you saying he has played good defense? Because Scott Brooks would STRONGLY disagree. He has been benched for more than once in games lately. The Thunder don't really play man on man, they switch everything. They don't double. Jackson has not been doing what he is supposed to do out there.

The numbers are pretty clear. I'm not sure what else to say?

I'm absolutely confounded by your man to man and switching statement. What does that mean? You think that Jackson's guy has just been the victim of an unusual number of switches, not good defense? Do other NBA teams not switch? Is the switch not an absolute tenant of man to man defense anymore? If Jackson is so bad or isnt doing what he is supposed to why has his unit given up so few points, even better than Westbrook's unit?

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The numbers are pretty clear. I'm not sure what else to say?

I'm absolutely confounded by your man to man and switching statement. What does that mean? You think that Jackson's guy has just been the victim of an unusual number of switches, not good defense? Do other NBA teams not switch? Is the switch not an absolute tenant of man to man defense anymore? If Jackson is so bad or isnt doing what he is supposed to why has his unit given up so few points, even better than Westbrook's unit?

The Thunder play very good team defense. Maybe you should write Scott Brooks, you seem to think you know more than him about Jackson's D. They play a lot slower with Jackson than they do with Westbrook. Surely you realize that, right? That kind of changes how many points they give up.

By the way, the Thunder are one of the top users of these analytics you reference. They've been using them a long time.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

The Thunder play very good team defense. Maybe you should write Scott Brooks, you seem to think you know more than him about Jackson's D. They play a lot slower with Jackson than they do with Westbrook. Surely you realize that, right? That kind of changes how many points they give up.

By the way, the Thunder are one of the top users of these analytics you reference. They've been using them a long time.

The numbers are clear. The 5 man starting unit including Jackson is an extremely good unit and when you plug someone else in for him the numbers drop.

Just to be clear I'd love the Knicks to have a PG that's starting 5 unit whose defensive numbers were about the best in the game and who holds (or his presence allows the team to hold under the mysterious switching tactic only hassles Jacksons guy system) players like Damon Lillard and Ty Lawson and Kemb walker to 5-17 shooting nights and which the local papers call getting "scorched". What would they call the Ray Felton ole defense? Crime against humanity?

Essentially the guy has been groomed to be a backup PG and has had his role greatly increased because of Westbrook being hurt. He is playing more minutes and is playing against starting players as opposed to backups. Obviously he isnt as good as a player as Westbrook but his numbers are good for any reasonable expectation level.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The numbers are clear. The 5 man starting unit including Jackson is an extremely good unit and when you plug someone else in for him the numbers drop.

Just to be clear I'd love the Knicks to have a PG that's starting 5 unit whose defensive numbers were about the best in the game and who holds (or his presence allows the team to hold under the mysterious switching tactic only hassles Jacksons guy system) players like Damon Lillard and Ty Lawson and Kemb walker to 5-17 shooting nights and which the local papers call getting "scorched". What would they call the Ray Felton ole defense? Crime against humanity?

Essentially the guy has been groomed to be a backup PG and has had his role greatly increased because of Westbrook being hurt. He is playing more minutes and is playing against starting players as opposed to backups. Obviously he isnt as good as a player as Westbrook but his numbers are good for any reasonable expectation level.

He can probably be a starting PG for some teams. I never said he played bad I don't believe, just that a lot of people expected more than reasonable numbers. They expected more. With no Westbrook he isn't playing much more than he did with Russ.

http://m.newsok.com/okc-thunder-regg...rticle/3924138

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

He can probably be a starting PG for some teams. I never said he played bad I don't believe, just that a lot of people expected more than reasonable numbers. They expected more. With no Westbrook he isn't playing much more than he did with Russ.

http://m.newsok.com/okc-thunder-regg...rticle/3924138

Who expected more than 13-4-4 from him? Based on what? Who are these people who expected Reggie Jackson to become a close to max contract player?

He was averaging 24 mins a game with Westbrook. He hasnt played less 24 mins a game since except for a game he got into foul trouble. His last 3 games he is avg 35 mins a game.

The theme in Oklahoma may be that Jackson is a disappointment or isnt living up to expectations or is some sort of horrible defender but those theories arent supported by the numbers and seriously I dont know anyone who expected Jackson to do more than he is doing now.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Are you saying he has played good defense? Because Scott Brooks would STRONGLY disagree. He has been benched for more than once in games lately. The Thunder don't really play man on man, they switch everything. They don't double. Jackson has not been doing what he is supposed to do out there.

So I found the article that talks about how opposing guards have "torched" Jackson using examples by name of the following guys.

Rubio was 4-13
Lawson was 7-16
Kemba Walker 6-17
Lillard 6-15
Deron Williams 10-17

Combined 33 for 78

[Cannon Shell]

Chris Paul is really even better than people think (the ones that understand that he is good not overrated because he has commercials)

http://stats.nba.com/playerTrackingP...ilters=GP*G*20

The tracking stats are just insanely good. I wish we had access to the rest of the data as they only give us a small %.

[Duvalier]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I wish we had access to the rest of the data as they only give us a small %.

The NBA really has really done a great job with all the stats and information they've made available to fans. The video box scores they recently unveiled are great and the tracking stats are fantastic. What was the rest of the data you were talking about?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Duvalier

The NBA really has really done a great job with all the stats and information they've made available to fans. The video box scores they recently unveiled are great and the tracking stats are fantastic. What was the rest of the data you were talking about?

They supposedly have a ton of stuff that only the teams have available to them. The data that has been made available on the website is like 2% of the total.

[Duvalier]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

They supposedly have a ton of stuff that only the teams have available to them. The data that has been made available on the website is like 2% of the total.

Out of the NFL, MLB and NBA who do you think is best as far as providing information to it's fans? I think the NBA has really done a great job with it recently.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

So I found the article that talks about how opposing guards have "torched" Jackson using examples by name of the following guys.

Rubio was 4-13
Lawson was 7-16
Kemba Walker 6-17
Lillard 6-15
Deron Williams 10-17

Combined 33 for 78

I haven't seen the article. I go to the games. He was guarding Courtney Lee the other night. He couldn't stay in front of him. But like I said, the Thunder aren't very big on guarding guys straight up anyway. I don't think many NBA teams are with the pick and roll. The Thunder switch everything, and Jackson has not been doing a good job. The chances Jackson winds up on the guy that plays his position when the shot is taken aren't that high.

Like I said, he has been benched for long stretches in games recently because of his defense, but you ignored that. I guess you think I made it up.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

I haven't seen the article. I go to the games. He was guarding Courtney Lee the other night. He couldn't stay in front of him. But like I said, the Thunder aren't very big on guarding guys straight up anyway. I don't think many NBA teams are with the pick and roll. The Thunder switch everything, and Jackson has not been doing a good job. The chances Jackson winds up on the guy that plays his position when the shot is taken aren't that high.

Like I said, he has been benched for long stretches in games recently because of his defense, but you ignored that. I guess you think I made it up.

He has been playing 32 minutes a game

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

He has been playing 32 minutes a game

What does that have to do with being benched for poor D on a few occasions?