2013 Eclipse Finalists

[Timely Writer]

Lost all in interest in process after Blame was denied.

Regards,

A. Stall

Ria Antonia wins a Breeders Cup race on a DQ, becomes a finalist. Did nothing prior to her "win"

Why should there be a category just for the sake of giving out an award? A certain standard has to be established.
Otherwise you can have Ria Antonia win it and be in the same eclipse category as some of the greats in the past. Sad.

[Jay Frederick]

Originally Posted by helicopter11

Ria Antonia wins a Breeders Cup race on a DQ, becomes a finalist. Did nothing prior to her "win"

Why should there be a category just for the sake of giving out an award? A certain standard has to be established.
Otherwise you can have Ria Antonia win it and be in the same eclipse category as some of the greats in the past. Sad.

I don't agree. As with any yearly award, there are going to be "better" winners than others. What kind of a standard would you like to establish?

Should they not give out Best Picture Oscars if the films of a certain year don't compare to the Godfather?

Originally Posted by Jay Frederick

I don't agree. As with any yearly award, there are going to be "better" winners than others. What kind of a standard would you like to establish?

Should they not give out Best Picture Oscars if the films of a certain year don't compare to the Godfather?

Standard of number of races run in graded stakes and placing in these races should be considered. You can win one or two races and still be a finalist is dumb. If the connections want an eclipse, they shall work for it rather than cherry picking races as they see fit. Winning a BC race is almost a lock to be a finalist. Putting that much weight on one race is absurd. Horses like Authenticity who ran 9 times and finished in the money all 9 times with 7 being graded races. Tiz Miz Sue ran only four and won twice is a finalist in the same category.

[Jay Frederick]

Originally Posted by helicopter11

Standard of number of races run in graded stakes and placing in these races should be considered. You can win one or two races and still be a finalist is dumb. If the connections want an eclipse, they shall work for it rather than cherry picking races as they see fit. Winning a BC race is almost a lock to be a finalist. Putting that much weight on one race is absurd. Horses like Authenticity who ran 9 times and finished in the money all 9 times with 7 being graded races. Tiz Miz Sue ran only four and won twice is a finalist in the same category.

I agree that too much emphasis on the Breeders Cup isn't a good thing. But in the case of the 2 year olds they, like older horses are running less than they used to. Ria Antonia won as many grade 1 races as any other 2 year old filly here last year and while she wouldn't be my pick to win the award, I see no problem with her as a finalist. Should Shared Belief not be a finalist for last year? He made only 3 starts.

I also agree that Authenticity should have been a finalist but I think the outrage shown over her omission has been blown way out of proportion. Royal Delta is going to be a deserving runaway winner of that award.

I'd like to see people this passionate over some of the real things plaguing horse racing. Like the on the turf, off the turf fiasco at Fair Grounds this week that I didn't see anyone mention. Authenticity not being a finalist for an award she wasn't going to come close to winning anyway ranks about 9,999th in things people should be mad about right now in horse racing.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Jay Frederick

I also agree that Authenticity should have been a finalist but I think the outrage shown over her omission has been blown way out of proportion. Royal Delta is going to be a deserving runaway winner of that award.

I'd like to see people this passionate over some of the real things plaguing horse racing. Like the on the turf, off the turf fiasco at Fair Grounds this week that I didn't see anyone mention. Authenticity not being a finalist for an award she wasn't going to come close to winning anyway ranks about 9,999th in things people should be mad about right now in horse racing.

I agree with you that in the big picture the Authenticity "snub" is hardly a big issue on its own. However unlike the other issue that you elude to, putting together a list of pp's for top contenders is a clear cut, simple thing to do and racing can't even get that right.

Bigger Eclipse voting issue is that there are far too many unqualified or just plain clueless people voting.

[Jay Frederick]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Bigger Eclipse voting issue is that there are far too many unqualified or just plain clueless people voting.

Sure and this is a problem baseball is facing right now as well. Seems like an easy fix though, less voters.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Jay Frederick

I agree that too much emphasis on the Breeders Cup isn't a good thing. But in the case of the 2 year olds they, like older horses are running less than they used to. Ria Antonia won as many grade 1 races as any other 2 year old filly here last year and while she wouldn't be my pick to win the award, I see no problem with her as a finalist. Should Shared Belief not be a finalist for last year? He made only 3 starts.

I also agree that Authenticity should have been a finalist but I think the outrage shown over her omission has been blown way out of proportion. Royal Delta is going to be a deserving runaway winner of that award.

I'd like to see people this passionate over some of the real things plaguing horse racing. Like the on the turf, off the turf fiasco at Fair Grounds this week that I didn't see anyone mention. Authenticity not being a finalist for an award she wasn't going to come close to winning anyway ranks about 9,999th in things people should be mad about right now in horse racing.

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/showthread.php?t=52864

the other 9998 things in racing (or thereabouts) also get discussed on this board. and having people without much clue regarding racing having a say in racing related things is a problem. especially if one has an agenda, joe drape is one that comes to mind.
people discussing voting doesn't necessarily equate to 'outrage'. it's just one of myriad topics discussed on here.

[Jay Frederick]

Originally Posted by Danzig

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/showthread.php?t=52864

the other 9998 things in racing (or thereabouts) also get discussed on this board. and having people without much clue regarding racing having a say in racing related things is a problem. especially if one has an agenda, joe drape is one that comes to mind.
people discussing voting doesn't necessarily equate to 'outrage'. it's just one of myriad topics discussed on here.

My mistake, one person mentioned it. I wonder how many people even realize why it is an issue. But there are a dozen posts about Authenticity not being a finalist for an award she isn't winning anyway.

Sorry, but one seems like an important issue to me and one doesn't. Just my opinion of course and I enjoy all of the discussions here. But one actually impacted people and one didn't.

[Sightseek]

Willis Horton

[Kasept]

ECLIPSE VOTING: http://www.ntra.com/eclipse_awards/f..._Composite.pdf