2013 Eclipse Finalists

King Glorious · #1 01-10-2014, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

you would have to think, tho, that if you're asking racing people to vote, that you wouldn't have to send out info. if they follow so little of it as to require assistance in knowing who did what, why do they have a vote?

Absolutely.

Danzig · #2 01-10-2014, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

Absolutely.

they should have to answer questions about racing and horses to get the vote. have doug put together a trivia question package, revedere to send photos for them to identify (with saddles cloths appropriately edited of course)....that's a good start to make sure they have the credentials to help decide awards.
i mean, what is this, the people's choice awards?

Timely Writer · #3 01-12-2014, 11:44 AM

Lost all in interest in process after Blame was denied.

Regards,

A. Stall

#4 01-12-2014, 04:22 PM

Ria Antonia wins a Breeders Cup race on a DQ, becomes a finalist. Did nothing prior to her "win"

Why should there be a category just for the sake of giving out an award? A certain standard has to be established.
Otherwise you can have Ria Antonia win it and be in the same eclipse category as some of the greats in the past. Sad.

Jay Frederick · #5 01-12-2014, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by helicopter11

Ria Antonia wins a Breeders Cup race on a DQ, becomes a finalist. Did nothing prior to her "win"

Why should there be a category just for the sake of giving out an award? A certain standard has to be established.
Otherwise you can have Ria Antonia win it and be in the same eclipse category as some of the greats in the past. Sad.

I don't agree. As with any yearly award, there are going to be "better" winners than others. What kind of a standard would you like to establish?

Should they not give out Best Picture Oscars if the films of a certain year don't compare to the Godfather?

#6 01-13-2014, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Jay Frederick

I don't agree. As with any yearly award, there are going to be "better" winners than others. What kind of a standard would you like to establish?

Should they not give out Best Picture Oscars if the films of a certain year don't compare to the Godfather?

Standard of number of races run in graded stakes and placing in these races should be considered. You can win one or two races and still be a finalist is dumb. If the connections want an eclipse, they shall work for it rather than cherry picking races as they see fit. Winning a BC race is almost a lock to be a finalist. Putting that much weight on one race is absurd. Horses like Authenticity who ran 9 times and finished in the money all 9 times with 7 being graded races. Tiz Miz Sue ran only four and won twice is a finalist in the same category.

Jay Frederick · #7 01-13-2014, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by helicopter11

Standard of number of races run in graded stakes and placing in these races should be considered. You can win one or two races and still be a finalist is dumb. If the connections want an eclipse, they shall work for it rather than cherry picking races as they see fit. Winning a BC race is almost a lock to be a finalist. Putting that much weight on one race is absurd. Horses like Authenticity who ran 9 times and finished in the money all 9 times with 7 being graded races. Tiz Miz Sue ran only four and won twice is a finalist in the same category.

I agree that too much emphasis on the Breeders Cup isn't a good thing. But in the case of the 2 year olds they, like older horses are running less than they used to. Ria Antonia won as many grade 1 races as any other 2 year old filly here last year and while she wouldn't be my pick to win the award, I see no problem with her as a finalist. Should Shared Belief not be a finalist for last year? He made only 3 starts.

I also agree that Authenticity should have been a finalist but I think the outrage shown over her omission has been blown way out of proportion. Royal Delta is going to be a deserving runaway winner of that award.

I'd like to see people this passionate over some of the real things plaguing horse racing. Like the on the turf, off the turf fiasco at Fair Grounds this week that I didn't see anyone mention. Authenticity not being a finalist for an award she wasn't going to come close to winning anyway ranks about 9,999th in things people should be mad about right now in horse racing.