Weekend Stakes Beyers

[randallscott35]

Thank God for geldings or they would all be Verrazanos and gone.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Thank God for geldings or they would all be Verrazanos and gone.

A completely mistimed squawk coming on the heels of a Breeders' Cup that featured 5yo's Mucho Macho Man, Fort Larned, Justin Phillip, Point of Entry & Pants On Fire, 7yo's Flat Out & Jeranimo... Not to mention 5yo mares Royal Delta, Authenticity, Groupie Doll, Tiz Flirtacious, Marketintg Mix, Laughing & Mizdirection.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Kasept

A completely mistimed squawk coming on the heels of a Breeders' Cup that featured 5yo's Mucho Macho Man, Fort Larned, Justin Phillip, Point of Entry & Pants On Fire, 7yo's Flat Out & Jeranimo... Not to mention 5yo mares Royal Delta, Authenticity, Groupie Doll, Tiz Flirtacious, Marketintg Mix, Laughing & Mizdirection.

Oh stop Steve. Females can't be gelded, do you need a biology lesson?

Do you think the best horse in training Wise Dan would be racing if he had balls?

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Oh stop Steve. Females can't be gelded, do you need a biology lesson?

Do you think the best horse in training Wise Dan would be racing if he had balls?

Instead of acknowledging that it seems there is a growing trend to keep horses around and expanding on the discuss. You elect to go with the inane.

you could have said the influx in additional older horses running is a direct result of the poor stallion market in 08-12 and the determination of owners that racing is more advantageous then crappy stallion deals...

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Instead of acknowledging that it seems there is a growing trend to keep horses around and expanding on the discuss. You elect to go with the inane.

you could have said the influx in additional older horses running is a direct result of the poor stallion market in 08-12 and the determination of owners that racing is more advantageous then crappy stallion deals...

MMM is 5, not 8. He also was still racing in part b/c he hadn't accomplished enough to get a better stallion deal. The idea that things have reversed in the last few years is inane. A slow trickle better....And the idea that Mizdirection's 2 start year should be embraced as a horse running when older is utterly ridiculous as well.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Oh stop Steve. Females can't be gelded, do you need a biology lesson?

Do you think the best horse in training Wise Dan would be racing if he had balls?

*yawn* A classic evasion of your completely wrong-headed original post...

Stallion-eligible colts/horses haven't been rushed off the last couple of years and we've have had a particularly nice group of older horses as a result. That's a inarguable fact. The mares were thrown in as additional evidence of owner/breeders providing extra seasons of pleasure for those that follow them.

In most cases, Wise Dan and most other top-performing geldings wouldn't be top performers had they not been gelded.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Kasept

*yawn* A classic evasion of your completely wrong-headed original post...

Stallion-eligible colts/horses haven't been rushed off the last couple of years and we've have had a particularly nice group of older horses as a result. That's a inarguable fact. The mares were thrown in as additional evidence of owner/breeders providing extra seasons of pleasure for those that follow them.

In most cases, Wise Dan and most other top-performing geldings wouldn't be top performers had they not been gelded.

A bit evasive on Wise Dan. Counter factual isn't an answer. We both know he would've been retired had he not been gelded....I'm shocked my comment has elicited that much debate. Saying Thank God for geldings is not exactly that big a deal but it's winter and I get it. Slow times.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

A bit evasive on Wise Dan. Counter factual isn't an answer. We both know he would've been retired had he not been gelded....I'm shocked my comment has elicited that much debate. Saying Thank God for geldings is not exactly that big a deal but it's winter and I get it. Slow times.

So obstinate and obtuse... Wise Dan almost certainly isn't the horse he is if he remains whole.. You can't even accept that fact? If they won't train and are studish and unfocused and constantly doing things to hurt themselves, they can't turn into the kind of horse he is. That's why they get gelded.

[randallscott35]

You left out Obfuscation...

I accept that. He would be pining the bottom level claimers at Parx with balls. Got it. Moving on.

[Dunbar]

Originally Posted by Kasept

So obstinate and obtuse... Wise Dan almost certainly isn't the horse he is if he remains whole.. You can't even accept that fact? If they won't train and are studish and unfocused and constantly doing things to hurt themselves, they can't turn into the kind of horse he is. That's why they get gelded.

All this is true. But it's also true what Randall was trying to get at. A non-gelded horse as good as Wise Dan most likely would have been off to the breeding shed after last year's BC.

--Dunbar