Pres. Administration Intentionally Lied

[dellinger63]

The fact we as a nation are obese wouldn't have anything to do with it.

What are the stats comparing drug/alcohol positive babies born here compared to in Cuba?

I'm sure that has nothing to do with it either.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

The fact we as a nation are obese wouldn't have anything to do with it.

What are the stats comparing drug/alcohol positive babies born here compared to in Cuba?

I'm sure that has nothing to do with it either.

Has everything to do with it but you know that.

[Danzig]

http://www.bloomberg.com/visual-data...care-countries


we rank number one in the world on spending on health care.

where do we rank on efficiency in the world, in regards to health care? not first.

46th!
note that japan is at the top on life expectancy and efficiency. i'm sure tho that it's just a coincidence.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Danzig

http://www.bloomberg.com/visual-data...care-countries


we rank number one in the world on spending on health care.

where do we rank on efficiency in the world, in regards to health care? not first.

46th!
note that japan is at the top on life expectancy and efficiency. i'm sure tho that it's just a coincidence.

As others have said, we have a terrible obesity problem in this country. They don't have that problem in Japan. People in Japan have much healthier diets. I think they live longer because of that, not because of a better healthcare system. How can you expect people in this country to live longer than in Japan with our high levels of obesity?

I think a lot of the numbers in that chart are very misleading. Practically every medical facility in this country has a cash price, in addition to their retail price. I needed an MRI last year. I asked what the price was and they told me it was $2,300. I had a high deductible so my insurance wasn't going to do me any good. I asked them how much it would be if I just paid cash and didn't go through my insurance company. If I paid cash the price was only $500.

It is pretty silly that a place will charge $2,300 to the insurance company but only $500 if you pay cash. That shows that our system certainly needs some reform. But as I said before, I still prefer our imperfect system to most other countries' healthcare systems. I'd rather pay $500 in this country and get my MRI immediately than have to wait for 4 or 5 months in countries like England and Canada.

[joeydb]

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

As others have said, we have a terrible obesity problem in this country. They don't have that problem in Japan. People in Japan have much healthier diets. I think they live longer because of that, not because of a better healthcare system. How can you expect people in this country to live longer than in Japan with our high levels of obesity?

I think a lot of the numbers in that chart are very misleading. Practically every medical facility in this country has a cash price, in addition to their retail price. I needed an MRI last year. I asked what the price was and they told me it was $2,300. I had a high deductible so my insurance wasn't going to do me any good. I asked them how much it would be if I just paid cash and didn't go through my insurance company. If I paid cash the price was only $500.

It is pretty silly that a place will charge $2,300 to the insurance company but only $500 if you pay cash. That shows that our system certainly needs some reform. But as I said before, I still prefer our imperfect system to most other countries' healthcare systems. I'd rather pay $500 in this country and get my MRI immediately than have to wait for 4 or 5 months in countries like England and Canada.

i'd imagine the cash price is there, much like with auto body shops, because if you have to deal with insurance the payout could take months.

yes, there's obesity here. what that has to do with our efficiency of care and infant mortality i don't know. we have obesity because we have poverty-seems to be counterintuitive, right? it's not, because study after study has shown that people with very limited funds have to get as many calories with as few dollars as possible-hence, bad diet, obesity. i doubt one in seven in japan is on food stamps. i wonder what japans poverty level is. i'll look. i also wonder if many of their lower paid workers are also on subsistence such as food stamps, since so many of our employed are working poor, because walmart, fast food etc don't pay a decent wage, unlike in the past when minimum wage was enough to support oneself.

also, more kids then ever in this country are in a poor household, with food insecurity. this also affects our education, as studies have shown that kids raised in poverty don't do as well in school, which will cause another downward spiral. these things will all present a snowball effect in this country.

[randallscott35]

6 people from a nation of 320 million signed up on Day 1 for Obamacare....Hmmm.

[Danzig]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...tle=10_Finland


here's an article that lists the 10 most obese countries...but i think it's by larger countries only.
please note that only two of the countries, mexico and chile, don't have a higher life expectancy than we do. we're tied with chile.

http://www.infoplease.com/world/statistics/obesity.html

that's a list of fattest countries. note kuwait, ahead of us by obesity. also ahead of us with longevity.

obesity is becoming an issue worldwide, it's a growing issue. that said, we still rank far behind, considering how much money is spent on medical care, with many of those nations doing a better job (but i thought socialized medicine was bad, amazing they are doing so well) with less money-but they have better access as well.

in other words, yes, obesity is an issue, but it's not why we are so far behind these other countries.


you guys think we are so far down on life expectancy due only to obesity? surely not. no doubt lack of access to care plays a role. how could it not? people with no insurance means no doctor, no checkups, no visits unless it's a serious illness. no doctor means no guidance, no info, no nothing.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Danzig

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...tle=10_Finland


here's an article that lists the 10 most obese countries...but i think it's by larger countries only.
please note that only two of the countries, mexico and chile, don't have a higher life expectancy than we do. we're tied with chile.

http://www.infoplease.com/world/statistics/obesity.html

that's a list of fattest countries. note kuwait, ahead of us by obesity. also ahead of us with longevity.

obesity is becoming an issue worldwide, it's a growing issue. that said, we still rank far behind, considering how much money is spent on medical care, with many of those nations doing a better job (but i thought socialized medicine was bad, amazing they are doing so well) with less money-but they have better access as well.

in other words, yes, obesity is an issue, but it's not why we are so far behind these other countries.


you guys think we are so far down on life expectancy due only to obesity? surely not. no doubt lack of access to care plays a role. how could it not? people with no insurance means no doctor, no checkups, no visits unless it's a serious illness. no doctor means no guidance, no info, no nothing.

You may be right. If people have no access to healthcare, they are obviously in trouble. I honestly didn't realize people had no access. Rich people obviously have access. Middle class people like me have access. And I always hear stories of poor people getting free care. So I honestly thought everybody had access.

I know plenty of poor people who have had cancer. They all got free treatment. So I can't figure out who the people are that don't get treatment. I'm not saying they don't exist. They must exist. I just don't know who they are.