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11-01-2013, 04:45 AM
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I think a lot of the numbers in that chart are very misleading. Practically every medical facility in this country has a cash price, in addition to their retail price. I needed an MRI last year. I asked what the price was and they told me it was $2,300. I had a high deductible so my insurance wasn't going to do me any good. I asked them how much it would be if I just paid cash and didn't go through my insurance company. If I paid cash the price was only $500. It is pretty silly that a place will charge $2,300 to the insurance company but only $500 if you pay cash. That shows that our system certainly needs some reform. But as I said before, I still prefer our imperfect system to most other countries' healthcare systems. I'd rather pay $500 in this country and get my MRI immediately than have to wait for 4 or 5 months in countries like England and Canada. 
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11-01-2013, 08:02 AM
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yes, there's obesity here. what that has to do with our efficiency of care and infant mortality i don't know. we have obesity because we have poverty-seems to be counterintuitive, right? it's not, because study after study has shown that people with very limited funds have to get as many calories with as few dollars as possible-hence, bad diet, obesity. i doubt one in seven in japan is on food stamps. i wonder what japans poverty level is. i'll look. i also wonder if many of their lower paid workers are also on subsistence such as food stamps, since so many of our employed are working poor, because walmart, fast food etc don't pay a decent wage, unlike in the past when minimum wage was enough to support oneself. also, more kids then ever in this country are in a poor household, with food insecurity. this also affects our education, as studies have shown that kids raised in poverty don't do as well in school, which will cause another downward spiral. these things will all present a snowball effect in this country.
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11-01-2013, 08:03 AM
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6 people from a nation of 320 million signed up on Day 1 for Obamacare....Hmmm.
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11-01-2013, 08:18 AM
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...tle=10_Finland
here's an article that lists the 10 most obese countries...but i think it's by larger countries only. please note that only two of the countries, mexico and chile, don't have a higher life expectancy than we do. we're tied with chile. http://www.infoplease.com/world/statistics/obesity.html that's a list of fattest countries. note kuwait, ahead of us by obesity. also ahead of us with longevity. obesity is becoming an issue worldwide, it's a growing issue. that said, we still rank far behind, considering how much money is spent on medical care, with many of those nations doing a better job (but i thought socialized medicine was bad, amazing they are doing so well) with less money-but they have better access as well. in other words, yes, obesity is an issue, but it's not why we are so far behind these other countries. you guys think we are so far down on life expectancy due only to obesity? surely not. no doubt lack of access to care plays a role. how could it not? people with no insurance means no doctor, no checkups, no visits unless it's a serious illness. no doctor means no guidance, no info, no nothing. Last edited by Danzig : 11-01-2013 at 11:31 AM.
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11-01-2013, 07:57 PM
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I know plenty of poor people who have had cancer. They all got free treatment. So I can't figure out who the people are that don't get treatment. I'm not saying they don't exist. They must exist. I just don't know who they are.
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11-01-2013, 08:52 PM
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because not all people qualify for medicaid. many have no access, because they have to pay in full to be treated. they make just a bit too much to qualify for medicaid (and quite often, medicaid is given to women for certain coverage only, such as ob/gyn) and work where there's no insurance. many don't go to a doctor unless it's something catastrophic, when they know the er must treat them and can't turn them away. they might not have seen a doctor for years.
many think because of how their life is, that's how it is for everyone. far from the truth. kids can stay on their parents care now til age 26, but many kids' parents don't have health care. the common number tossed around is that about 50 million had no insurance. how many by choice? how many because they had pre-existing conditons, and how many because they couldn't afford it, but make too much to get assistance? i know there are many adults in this area whose kids are on arkids, but the adults have no coverage.
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11-02-2013, 12:05 PM
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11-02-2013, 10:51 PM
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http://news.msn.com/us/sticker-shock...e-cancellation
ridiculous. i know many liked the new regs that obamacare added-but what 64 year old needs maternity care?! all those new, 'free'' things such as colonoscopies aren't really free, as people are finding out with their new, higher premiums. they should still have more basic plans available, because not everyone needs all the bells and whistles that are required in these plans.
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