Can Retirement REALLY be Far Behind?

hoovesupsideyourhead · #1 11-23-2006, 12:20 AM

i heard about the pissing contest behind this one..he basicley ruined juddmont.....let them giants causways rot like pumpkins..

Rupert Pupkin · #2 11-23-2006, 02:53 AM

There are plenty of horses that don't make their first start until half-way through their 3 year old year, so I wouldn't write the horse off yet. Don't get me wrong, you wouldn't pay several million dollars for a horse if you knew that he wouldn't be able to start until half-way through his 3 year old year. This is certainly not a positive development. But I still wouldn't write the horse off yet.

By the way, if this horse never makes it to the races, he is pretty much worthless. His pedigree is not that great. His first dam is nothing special. She made $45,000 racing and this is her second foal. Her first foal was still unraced as of February this year according to the catalog at the sale.

It is possible for an unraced horse to have value as a stallion if they have great breeding, but I don't think this horse's breeding is good enough. It would be one thing if you buy a yearling for $5 million who is by Storm Cat out of a grade I winning mare. A horse like that may have some value as a stallion even if he couldn't run. Tiger Ridge is a good example. He only made $11,000 racing but he was by Storm Cat out of Weekend Surprise.

Rupert Pupkin · #3 11-23-2006, 04:26 AM

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Rupert, you definitely are very in tuned with what is going on, so please do not take this as any offense, but there is no way this horse makes a start in a stakes race. Easily one of the worst purchases ever. When you are purchased for such a high sum, so early, usually the thought is precocious juvenile. No one spends that kind of money for a horse who may start at 3. Honestly, I am glad. Maybe now there will be some sort of realistic prices for horses, and there will not be a pissing match between the two worse things for modern day racing, Coolmore and Godolphin.

They overpaid for the horse by a million times. I'm not denying that. This horse should have sold for $500,000 or so. And as you said, they were obviously expecting him to run as a 2 year old. I totally agree with you on both of those points.

However, I don't know how you can you say that he will never run in a stakes race. There have been hundreds of horses over the last 10 years that didn't run until they were 3 years old and ended up being stakes horses. It's way too early to say that The Green Monkey won't win a stakes race. It's not too early to say that they paid way too much for him. But it is too early to say that he won't win a stakes race.

King Glorious · #4 11-23-2006, 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

They overpaid for the horse by a million times. I'm not denying that. This horse should have sold for $500,000 or so. And as you said, they were obviously expecting him to run as a 2 year old. I totally agree with you on both of those points.

However, I don't know how you can you say that he will never run in a stakes race. There have been hundreds of horses over the last 10 years that didn't run until they were 3 years old and ended up being stakes horses. It's way too early to say that The Green Monkey won't win a stakes race. It's not too early to say that they paid way too much for him. But it is too early to say that he won't win a stakes race.

Tiznow and Bernardini are two that come to mind right away.

King Glorious · #5 11-23-2006, 07:20 AM

On another forum, I was wondering about something like this. Not particularly with this horse but since he's the subject now, what kind of stud fee do u all think he would be able to bring if he doesn't race? Also, what kind of fee do u think Bernardini could have brought had he went to stud unraced?

AeWingnut · #6 11-23-2006, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

On another forum, I was wondering about something like this. Not particularly with this horse but since he's the subject now, what kind of stud fee do u all think he would be able to bring if he doesn't race? Also, what kind of fee do u think Bernardini could have brought had he went to stud unraced?

I think Bernardini would get $5,000 tops unraced.

Silver Charm has won 2 huge races (Kentucky Derby and Dubai World Cup) with almost $7 mil in earnings. I tink his stud fee started at $25k was dropped to $10k and now he has been shipped over to Japan.

paisjpq · #7 11-23-2006, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by AeWingnut

I think Bernardini would get $5,000 tops unraced.

Silver Charm has won 2 huge races (Kentucky Derby and Dubai World Cup) with almost $7 mil in earnings. I tink his stud fee started at $25k was dropped to $10k and now he has been shipped over to Japan.

by AP Indy out of a G1 mare?
I don't know how much exactly....but prolly more than 5K