Can Retirement REALLY be Far Behind?

ArlJim78 · #1 11-22-2006, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DEES3

For some reason this struck me as hilariously funny. I literally had to try to explain it to my wife, who's not a horseplayer, and for some reason she couldn't understand the humor in the statement "looked like one of the best we've seen in a long long time." Thanks, you seriously made my T-giving.

Great, I'm glad someone got it! Just carrying to the extreme some of the stuff that has been going on lately.

hoovesupsideyourhead · #2 11-22-2006, 11:20 PM

i heard about the pissing contest behind this one..he basicley ruined juddmont.....let them giants causways rot like pumpkins..

Rupert Pupkin · #3 11-23-2006, 01:53 AM

There are plenty of horses that don't make their first start until half-way through their 3 year old year, so I wouldn't write the horse off yet. Don't get me wrong, you wouldn't pay several million dollars for a horse if you knew that he wouldn't be able to start until half-way through his 3 year old year. This is certainly not a positive development. But I still wouldn't write the horse off yet.

By the way, if this horse never makes it to the races, he is pretty much worthless. His pedigree is not that great. His first dam is nothing special. She made $45,000 racing and this is her second foal. Her first foal was still unraced as of February this year according to the catalog at the sale.

It is possible for an unraced horse to have value as a stallion if they have great breeding, but I don't think this horse's breeding is good enough. It would be one thing if you buy a yearling for $5 million who is by Storm Cat out of a grade I winning mare. A horse like that may have some value as a stallion even if he couldn't run. Tiger Ridge is a good example. He only made $11,000 racing but he was by Storm Cat out of Weekend Surprise.

Rupert Pupkin · #4 11-23-2006, 03:26 AM

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Rupert, you definitely are very in tuned with what is going on, so please do not take this as any offense, but there is no way this horse makes a start in a stakes race. Easily one of the worst purchases ever. When you are purchased for such a high sum, so early, usually the thought is precocious juvenile. No one spends that kind of money for a horse who may start at 3. Honestly, I am glad. Maybe now there will be some sort of realistic prices for horses, and there will not be a pissing match between the two worse things for modern day racing, Coolmore and Godolphin.

They overpaid for the horse by a million times. I'm not denying that. This horse should have sold for $500,000 or so. And as you said, they were obviously expecting him to run as a 2 year old. I totally agree with you on both of those points.

However, I don't know how you can you say that he will never run in a stakes race. There have been hundreds of horses over the last 10 years that didn't run until they were 3 years old and ended up being stakes horses. It's way too early to say that The Green Monkey won't win a stakes race. It's not too early to say that they paid way too much for him. But it is too early to say that he won't win a stakes race.

King Glorious · #5 11-23-2006, 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

They overpaid for the horse by a million times. I'm not denying that. This horse should have sold for $500,000 or so. And as you said, they were obviously expecting him to run as a 2 year old. I totally agree with you on both of those points.

However, I don't know how you can you say that he will never run in a stakes race. There have been hundreds of horses over the last 10 years that didn't run until they were 3 years old and ended up being stakes horses. It's way too early to say that The Green Monkey won't win a stakes race. It's not too early to say that they paid way too much for him. But it is too early to say that he won't win a stakes race.

Tiznow and Bernardini are two that come to mind right away.

King Glorious · #6 11-23-2006, 06:20 AM

On another forum, I was wondering about something like this. Not particularly with this horse but since he's the subject now, what kind of stud fee do u all think he would be able to bring if he doesn't race? Also, what kind of fee do u think Bernardini could have brought had he went to stud unraced?

AeWingnut · #7 11-23-2006, 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

On another forum, I was wondering about something like this. Not particularly with this horse but since he's the subject now, what kind of stud fee do u all think he would be able to bring if he doesn't race? Also, what kind of fee do u think Bernardini could have brought had he went to stud unraced?

I think Bernardini would get $5,000 tops unraced.

Silver Charm has won 2 huge races (Kentucky Derby and Dubai World Cup) with almost $7 mil in earnings. I tink his stud fee started at $25k was dropped to $10k and now he has been shipped over to Japan.

Pedigree Ann · #8 11-23-2006, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Great, I'm glad someone got it! Just carrying to the extreme some of the stuff that has been going on lately.

Irony and sarcasm are especially hard to convey with the typed word. Have seen people reply indignantly to totally tongue-in-cheek letters to the editor in the local paper. Missed the point entirely. Reason I put <grin> behind some of my posts. I thought your post was amusing and so right on.

ArlJim78 · #9 11-23-2006, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

Irony and sarcasm are especially hard to convey with the typed word. Have seen people reply indignantly to totally tongue-in-cheek letters to the editor in the local paper. Missed the point entirely. Reason I put <grin> behind some of my posts. I thought your post was amusing and so right on.

Ann, i agree on your point about irony and sarcasm being hard to detect. I have found out the hard way several times. I usually use the grins if I think there might be a chance that someone could take it the wrong way and get offended. Sometimes though, its fun to just be as sober and dry as possible and see how its received. Sadly, these are the things that amuse me.

Danzig · #10 11-23-2006, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Ann, i agree on your point about irony and sarcasm being hard to detect. I have found out the hard way several times. I usually use the grins if I think there might be a chance that someone could take it the wrong way and get offended. Sometimes though, its fun to just be as sober and dry as possible and see how its received. Sadly, these are the things that amuse me.

sounds like my kind of guy.

ArlJim78 · #11 11-23-2006, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig188

sounds like my kind of guy.

Now that sounds tongue-in-cheek.

Danzig · #12 11-23-2006, 01:12 PM

nope. i enjoy dry humor and sarcasm!

Dunbar · #13 11-23-2006, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Ann, i agree on your point about irony and sarcasm being hard to detect. I have found out the hard way several times. I usually use the grins if I think there might be a chance that someone could take it the wrong way and get offended. Sometimes though, its fun to just be as sober and dry as possible and see how its received. Sadly, these are the things that amuse me.

In fairness, I should admit that I read "best interest of the horse" as if you were serious. But the "doesn't have anything else to prove" smacked so clearly of Bernardini that I was already laughing by time I got to the excellent last line.

Keep 'em coming!

--Dunbar

Rupert Pupkin · #14 11-23-2006, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Ann, i agree on your point about irony and sarcasm being hard to detect. I have found out the hard way several times. I usually use the grins if I think there might be a chance that someone could take it the wrong way and get offended. Sometimes though, its fun to just be as sober and dry as possible and see how its received. Sadly, these are the things that amuse me.

I think it was pretty obvious that you were being sarcastic. I was laughing about it. How could a horse that's never run before, have already proved himself? LOL. That was a good one.

ArlJim78 · #15 11-23-2006, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I think it was pretty obvious that you were being sarcastic. I was laughing about it. How could a horse that's never run before, have already proved himself? LOL. That was a good one.

Well it seems that it was a successful post then, because while it apparently brought laughs to those that got the sarcasm, i'm guessing that there were also some that thought "This guy is nuts, saying the TGM has nothing to prove and that he's one of the best we've seen".

My other ideas were too over the top and no one would have bit on them. One was to make a post comparing TGM to a great horse like Seattle Slew.
The other idea was to try to make the case that he should be considered the leading contender for 2007 HOY.

paisjpq · #16 11-23-2006, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Well it seems that it was a successful post then, because while it apparently brought laughs to those that got the sarcasm, i'm guessing that there were also some that thought "This guy is nuts, saying the TGM has nothing to prove and that he's one of the best we've seen".

My other ideas were too over the top and no one would have bit on them. One was to make a post comparing TGM to a great horse like Seattle Slew.
The other idea was to try to make the case that he should be considered the leading contender for 2007 HOY.

certainly one could make a case for him to be champ. Juv. of 2006...after all he worked really fast @ the sale...and his picture graced the cover of MANY MANY publications both when he was sold...again when he was sent to a trainer...then again when he worked...he has been a media darling from day one and is clearly heads above the rest of the 2YO crop.

ArlJim78 · #17 11-23-2006, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by paisjpq

certainly one could make a case for him to be champ. Juv. of 2006...after all he worked really fast @ the sale...and his picture graced the cover of MANY MANY publications both when he was sold...again when he was sent to a trainer...then again when he worked...he has been a media darling from day one and is clearly heads above the rest of the 2YO crop.

Oh I thought that was already a done deal so I didn't even think it had to be mentioned. He stands head and shoulders above this crop for sure.

Dunbar · #18 11-23-2006, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Well it seems that it was a successful post then, because while it apparently brought laughs to those that got the sarcasm, i'm guessing that there were also some that thought "This guy is nuts, saying the TGM has nothing to prove and that he's one of the best we've seen".

My other ideas were too over the top and no one would have bit on them. One was to make a post comparing TGM to a great horse like Seattle Slew.
The other idea was to try to make the case that he should be considered the leading contender for 2007 HOY.

Funny, I typed out exactly that Seattle Slew comparison as a response to your first post, but thought, nah, it wasn't nearly as funny as what you'd already written.

--Dunbar

Mike_79 · #19 11-23-2006, 08:56 PM

A little inside info for those that enjoy that kind of thing.

Tentative plans call for him to be on the cover of Time Magazine ala Secretariat in early 2007.

They're undecided on which caption to use. It's between "How a racehorse made a nation feel good about themselves again" and "You can't put a pricetag on what this horse means to society."

Keep the sarcasm coming Jim. I got a great chuckle out of it!!!