Pacific Classic Official time vs trakus

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

It is VERY tough to tell (due to the camera angle) where the timing starts, but I did my best using the 45 foot run up listed in the charts. Using the timer on the replay, I get the 1/4 mile at somewhere between 22 and 23 seconds.

What is interesting is that just using the break from the gate to start the timing, I get just a tad over 24 seconds, which is the reported time. It seems to me this race was timed from the gate.

So, I went back and timed last years race from the gate, a race which also had the run up listed at 45 feet. I got the time from the gate at dead on 25 seconds, and the 1/4 was reported in 23.61, or a difference 1.39. That is very close to the difference in the Equibase/Trakus times for both the 1/4 and the final time in 2013.

As one further check, I ran the videos simultaneously. I ran them for exactly 25 seconds from the instant the gate sprung. In 2013, Game On Dude is right on the finish line, while in 2012 Riveting Reason is leading and at the same point in time the finish line isn't even in the camera yet.

Clearly, to my mind, Trakus has this right and they cheated Game On Dude of a track record.

i figured it had to do with when each began timing.
it's the 21st century, with all our modern technology you'd think a horse race time could be done properly.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i figured it had to do with when each began timing.
it's the 21st century, with all our modern technology you'd think a horse race time could be done properly.

It really is scary. I catch bad times every day all around the country, and probably miss as many as I catch. But a G1, million dollar race? That is pathetic.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

It really is scary. I catch bad times every day all around the country, and probably miss as many as I catch. But a G1, million dollar race? That is pathetic.

doug's posts on EVD 'timing' has put me off wanting to go there. it's ridiculous. no excuse for it. and to have trakus, and still not get it right. it's just crazy.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Danzig

doug's posts on EVD 'timing' has put me off wanting to go there. it's ridiculous. no excuse for it. and to have trakus, and still not get it right. it's just crazy.

does EVD have trakus?

It seems in this case Trakus has it right and has found a human error.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

does EVD have trakus?

It seems in this case Trakus has it right and has found a human error.

EvD does not have Trakus, but the errors are definitely human. It is unfathomable how bad the person that operates the timer there is. Further, we've pointed it out to the track and Equibase, and they don't care.

The one I liked best was the photo Doug sent me of a horse about three or four strides from the wire and the final time was already displayed...and that same time appeared in the official chart.

[10 pnt move up]

Its just another sad case that the tracks don't have much care for the player, I am sure Equibase relies on the track data, you go to the effort to make them aware but I am sure two guys (gals) in an office look at it from a whats in it for us to care about this.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Its just another sad case that the tracks don't have much care for the player, I am sure Equibase relies on the track data, you go to the effort to make them aware but I am sure two guys (gals) in an office look at it from a whats in it for us to care about this.

I've dealt with Equibase a lot these last few years, and they really do try to help. The tracks themselves, not so much.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

does EVD have trakus?

It seems in this case Trakus has it right and has found a human error.

i doubt they do, especially considering the glaring errors he showed in that thread.

[freddymo]

If Game on ran a 105 then its the fastest 105 in the history of the sport and while all 105's aren't created equally all 105's should be 105. That SOB was cooking

[randallscott35]

I don't see why the 105 is so hard to believe. Huge figs on Synthetic are hard to come by similar to turf....people get too hung up on this. IMO

[cmorioles]

The top row is the 2013 race, the bottom row the 2012 race. I took a snapshot of each race when the opening of the starting gate is complete and noted the time in 100ths of a second on the video. I then took a similar snapshot as close as possible to the first horse hitting the wire for the first time, the 1/4 mile. Granted, these times are not perfect, but they are very close.

I then simply subtract the time I noted at the starting gate from the time I note on the finish line the 1st time.

2013	Break to finish		 30.33 -   5.64 =  24.69 Reported:  24.19
2012	Break to finish		 33.73 -   8.51 =  25.22 Reported:  23.61

Projected 2013 actual 1/4 mile time:  
24.69 - (25.22 - 23.61) = 23.08 (Trakus 22.91)

I think that is pretty clear evidence that Trakus is MUCH closer (and probably dead on) to the real time than the teletimer was for this race.