Originally Posted by cmorioles (Post 942469)

It is VERY tough to tell (due to the camera angle) where the timing starts, but I did my best using the 45 foot run up listed in the charts. Using the timer on the replay, I get the 1/4 mile at somewhere between 22 and 23 seconds.

What is interesting is that just using the break from the gate to start the timing, I get just a tad over 24 seconds, which is the reported time. It seems to me this race was timed from the gate.

So, I went back and timed last years race from the gate, a race which also had the run up listed at 45 feet. I got the time from the gate at dead on 25 seconds, and the 1/4 was reported in 23.61, or a difference 1.39. That is very close to the difference in the Equibase/Trakus times for both the 1/4 and the final time in 2013.

As one further check, I ran the videos simultaneously. I ran them for exactly 25 seconds from the instant the gate sprung. In 2013, Game On Dude is right on the finish line line, while in 2012 Riveting Reason is leading and at the same point in time the finish line isn't even in the camera yet.

Clearly, to my mind, Trakus has this right and they cheated Game On Dude of a track record.

Originally Posted by cmorioles (Post 942469)

It is VERY tough to tell (due to the camera angle) where the timing starts, but I did my best using the 45 foot run up listed in the charts. Using the timer on the replay, I get the 1/4 mile at somewhere between 22 and 23 seconds.

What is interesting is that just using the break from the gate to start the timing, I get just a tad over 24 seconds, which is the reported time. It seems to me this race was timed from the gate.

So, I went back and timed last years race from the gate, a race which also had the run up listed at 45 feet. I got the time from the gate at dead on 25 seconds, and the 1/4 was reported in 23.61, or a difference 1.39. That is very close to the difference in the Equibase/Trakus times for both the 1/4 and the final time in 2013.

As one further check, I ran the videos simultaneously. I ran them for exactly 25 seconds from the instant the gate sprung. In 2013, Game On Dude is right on the finish line, while in 2012 Riveting Reason is leading and at the same point in time the finish line isn't even in the camera yet.

Clearly, to my mind, Trakus has this right and they cheated Game On Dude of a track record.

Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 942472)

i figured it had to do with when each began timing.
it's the 21st century, with all our modern technology you'd think a horse race time could be done properly.

Originally Posted by classhandicapper (Post 942475)

In fact, it lends support to the idea the race was mistimed. I suspect Beyer will change it.

Originally Posted by cmorioles (Post 942473)

It really is scary. I catch bad times every day all around the country, and probably miss as many as I catch. But a G1, million dollar race? That is pathetic.

Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 942479)

doug's posts on EVD 'timing' has put me off wanting to go there. it's ridiculous. no excuse for it. and to have trakus, and still not get it right. it's just crazy.

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up (Post 942482)

does EVD have trakus?

It seems in this case Trakus has it right and has found a human error.

Originally Posted by cmorioles (Post 942476)

I'm probably his biggest fan, but that is embarrassing. How can he not change it?

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up (Post 942487)

Its just another sad case that the tracks don't have much care for the player, I am sure Equibase relies on the track data, you go to the effort to make them aware but I am sure two guys (gals) in an office look at it from a whats in it for us to care about this.

Originally Posted by classhandicapper (Post 942488)

I think as soon as various figure makers find out about the timing issue they will correct their figures.

But even without knowing the timing issue, it's hard to look at that field, watch that race, and conclude GOD ran a mediocre race. Without that information I would have broken the race out and assumed something flukey happened.

Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 942490)

My GPS once took me into the Atlantic Ocean, no joke. I will take the official time.

Originally Posted by cmorioles (Post 942469)

So, I went back and timed last years race from the gate, a race which also had the run up listed at 45 feet. I got the time from the gate at dead on 25 seconds, and the 1/4 was reported in 23.61, or a difference 1.39. That is very close to the difference in the Equibase/Trakus times for both the 1/4 and the final time in 2013.

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