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Old 07-02-2013, 12:15 PM
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I have a number of trainer stats for Saratoga, but I thought this one was interesting.

19 trainers have 100 or more starts on dirt at Saratoga between 2008 and 2012. Only one has a positive ROI. Who is it?

Three trainers have ROIs below $1.00. That'll be tough, but can anyone name them?
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Old 07-02-2013, 12:36 PM
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I have a number of trainer stats for Saratoga, but I thought this one was interesting.

19 trainers have 100 or more starts on dirt at Saratoga between 2008 and 2012. Only one has a positive ROI. Who is it?

Three trainers have ROIs below $1.00. That'll be tough, but can anyone name them?
I was about to say Linda Rice, but then I saw the "dirt" part. Her ROI on turf has to be fantastic.
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Old 07-02-2013, 12:45 PM
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I have a number of trainer stats for Saratoga, but I thought this one was interesting.

19 trainers have 100 or more starts on dirt at Saratoga between 2008 and 2012. Only one has a positive ROI. Who is it?

Three trainers have ROIs below $1.00. That'll be tough, but can anyone name them?
I'm gonna guess George Weaver for the first question.
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Old 07-02-2013, 12:49 PM
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I'm gonna guess George Weaver for the first one.
Doubtful he has 100 starts.
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Old 07-02-2013, 12:50 PM
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Mott has to be close to the 1.00 mark, though he has gotten better in recent years on dirt.
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Old 07-02-2013, 12:58 PM
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Mott has to be close to the 1.00 mark, though he has gotten better in recent years on dirt.
Mott is $1.00 right on the nose!
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Old 07-02-2013, 12:48 PM
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I have a number of trainer stats for Saratoga, but I thought this one was interesting.

19 trainers have 100 or more starts on dirt at Saratoga between 2008 and 2012. Only one has a positive ROI. Who is it?

Three trainers have ROIs below $1.00. That'll be tough, but can anyone name them?

maybe Kimmel or Assmussen?
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Old 07-02-2013, 12:55 PM
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I was about to say Linda Rice, but then I saw the "dirt" part. Her ROI on turf has to be fantastic.
Right. Her turf ROI is a gaudy $2.44 from 258 starters. That is tremendous.

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maybe Kimmel or Assmussen?
Asmussen's dirt ROI is a very respectable $1.87 from 216 starters. Kimmel's is $1.74 from 109 starters.

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I'm gonna guess George Weaver for the first question.
As CJ suspected, Weaver has only 87 dirt starters during that period, but his ROI is $1.97

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Chad Brown??
Bingo! The 2011 meet helped it quite a bit. With exactly 100 dirt starters, Chad Brown's ROI is $2.18
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Old 07-02-2013, 12:51 PM
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I have a number of trainer stats for Saratoga, but I thought this one was interesting.

19 trainers have 100 or more starts on dirt at Saratoga between 2008 and 2012. Only one has a positive ROI. Who is it?
Chad Brown??
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Chad Brown??
I think you have it.
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Albertrani has to be one of the sub 1 guys.
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Old 07-02-2013, 01:02 PM
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Albertrani has to be one of the sub 1 guys.
Indeed, $0.86 ROI from 117 starters. On turf, he is 4-83 with an ROI of $0.39.
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Old 07-02-2013, 01:24 PM
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I don't know if he has over 100 starters, but I would not be surprised if Rusty Arnold is one of the sub par guys.
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Old 07-02-2013, 01:27 PM
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I don't know if he has over 100 starters, but I would not be surprised if Rusty Arnold is one of the sub par guys.
From his 41 dirt starters, Arnold's ROI is $0.48!
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Old 07-08-2013, 10:26 AM
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Always brings at least one surprise package at ridiculous odds
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Old 07-08-2013, 11:06 AM
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Old 07-08-2013, 12:17 PM
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Always brings at least one surprise package at ridiculous odds
Got that right. He is just 4-53 going back to '08, but those four have all paid well. Most recent bomber was Presumptive on opening day 2012.
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Old 07-08-2013, 12:51 PM
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Got that right. He is just 4-53 going back to '08, but those four have all paid well. Most recent bomber was Presumptive on opening day 2012.
Wouldn't you find similar numbers at every race meet for Lerman or Ortiz? Or for every low percentage trainer for that matter? When someone wins so few races, the winners almost have to pay well, don't they?

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