Highest pace figure in a dirt race so far this year

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

How much did they need to "know" with the horse dropping from an open N1WX allowance in which he was 9/2 into a $5,000 NW1Y or NW4 lifetime race?

I use figures and he had no real advantage and some N1wx's can be pretty weak.

The class handicappers had their way I suppose but 1/9 I reserve for a horse like Zenyatta in a 1x race not that horse.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

I use figures and he had no real advantage and some N1wx's can be pretty weak.

The class handicappers had their way I suppose but 1/9 I reserve for a horse like Zenyatta in a 1x race not that horse.

Fair enough on how you got there. I just thought it was splitting hairs between whether the entry was going to go to post at 30 cents on the dollar or 10 cents on the dollar, definitely not something anyone had to have any secretive knowledge about for a betting interest that was obviously going to go strongly favored, and was odds-on to be odds-on in that race.

The horse had a massive class edge and was beaten just five lengths two starts back at the same trip behind a horse who came back to repeat in what was arguably the best main track allowance we've had all meet top to bottom.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Fair enough on how you got there. I just thought it was splitting hairs between whether the entry was going to go to post at 30 cents on the dollar or 10 cents on the dollar, definitely not something anyone had to have any secretive knowledge about for a betting interest that was obviously going to go strongly favored, and was odds-on to be odds-on in that race.

The horse had a massive class edge and was beaten just five lengths two starts back at the same trip behind a horse who came back to repeat in what was arguably the best main track allowance we've had all meet top to bottom.

Besides Ville, the other horse made just as much sense.

The more shocking thing to me is that Ville was not claimed, I know of 4 people that were dropping a slip on him if they liked what they saw in the paddock and obviously all four did not.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Scav

Besides Ville, the other horse made just as much sense.

The more shocking thing to me is that Ville was not claimed, I know of 4 people that were dropping a slip on him if they liked what they saw in the paddock and obviously all four did not.

Ville kinda smelled on paper to me and that's why I was interested in the race, on figures he dominated the field and was in good form to be dropped into that spot. I know nothing about Chicago racing, I mean zero, so it was an outsiders perspective.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Ville kinda smelled on paper to me and that's why I was interested in the race, on figures he dominated the field and was in good form to be dropped into that spot. I know nothing about Chicago racing, I mean zero, so it was an outsiders perspective.

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

I use figures and he had no real advantage

Huh?

Either way, you're correct about there being red flags all over it considering the horse was more or less in career form a couple starts back. If the horse stays together, they may have gotten away with one, because that horse is now eligible for starters and could probably do a little bit of damage at the level.

[Calzone Lord]

The 1A had a strong edge on CJ's figures...which is on a 100 point scale, so they have more of a scrunched factor to them because the value of a point is more significant




Considering that the horse went off at odds of 1/9 ... I'm guessing it was dominant on everyones figures.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

The 1A had a strong edge on CJ's figures...which is on a 100 point scale, so they have more of a scrunched factor to them because the value of a point is more significant




Considering that the horse went off at odds of 1/9 ... I'm guessing it was dominant on everyones figures.

But it was the 1 who jogged, not the 1A. His 57 hardly inspired me.

[Zaf]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Huh?

Either way, you're correct about there being red flags all over it considering the horse was more or less in career form a couple starts back. If the horse stays together, they may have gotten away with one, because that horse is now eligible for starters and could probably do a little bit of damage at the level.

I see by your Avatar you are a Av's fan, the kid you drafted #1 can be the next Sidney Crosby, he is from Cole Harbor Nova Scotia, Sid the Kid also grew up in Cole Harbor. I had the opportunity to see Nathan play many times this year. I attend many QMJHL games in Quebec and Nova Scotia and I will tell you this kid is the real deal. Have not been this high on a player since the Islanders drafted John Taveres.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Zaf

I see by your Avatar you are a Av's fan, the kid you drafted #1 can be the next Sidney Crosby, he is from Cole Harbor Nova Scotia, Sid the Kid also grew up in Cole Harbor. I had the opportunity to see Nathan play many times this year. I attend many QMJHL games in Quebec and Nova Scotia and I will tell you this kid is the real deal. Have not been this high on a player since the Islanders drafted John Taveres.

I'm cautiously optimistic about the next few years -- lots of young talent on that team, and now even more. Really excited about the pick. Thanks for the extra info, have just been reading a lot about him and watching whatever clips I could find that they had put together.