Breeders' Cup 2014

10 pnt move up · #1 06-11-2013, 09:10 AM

I feel like the elephant in the room is do these tracks really want the Breeders Cup? If they lose money on them why? I thought CD only wanted it because the City of Louisville provided them a government hand out for hosting it, that has run out in 2010, strangely they have hardly been aggressively negotiating the return, at least I get that from reading between the lines. NYRA is in a tough position to take on something that may be a loss leader just to say they have it.

Danzig · #2 06-11-2013, 09:26 AM

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I feel like the elephant in the room is do these tracks really want the Breeders Cup? If they lose money on them why? I thought CD only wanted it because the City of Louisville provided them a government hand out for hosting it, that has run out in 2010, strangely they have hardly been aggressively negotiating the return, at least I get that from reading between the lines. NYRA is in a tough position to take on something that may be a loss leader just to say they have it.

since monmouth, churchill, belmont and others continue to petition for it, one must assume they want it.

since it's not due to handle and attendance, as santa anita isn't the leader in either area, what is it? nbc covers the derby, so it's not like they can't get to louisville.
bcl isn't telling the whole story. someone is paying them the money to more than make up handle/attendance differential.
in the words of danny devito in johnny dangerously, someone is 'playing ball'. it's not the weather, the locale, etc....isn't it always about the money?? wonder what mr. gaines would say.

10 pnt move up · #3 06-11-2013, 10:02 AM

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since monmouth, churchill, belmont and others continue to petition for it, one must assume they want it.

Monmouth will never get it again after the debacle last time.

Andy I would imagine they petition for it to save face with the horseman, look if NYRA really wanted this thing they would have had it by now, IMO.

MaTH716 · #4 06-11-2013, 10:05 AM

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Monmouth will never get it again after the debacle last time.

Andy I would imagine they petition for it to save face with the horseman, look if NYRA really wanted this thing they would have had it by now, IMO.

I am and have always been against Monmouth getting it (and it's my home track). That being said, it's extremely unfair to blame them for the so-called debacle. They just had extremely bad luck with the weather and in my opinion with the cards that they were dealt, they did a pretty admirable job.

10 pnt move up · #5 06-11-2013, 10:07 AM

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I am and have always been against Monmouth getting it (and it's my home track). That being said, it's extremely unfair to blame for the so-called debacle. They just had extremely bad luck with the weather and in my opinion with the cards that they were dealt, they did a pretty admirable job.

I see lots of posts about the weather in this thread, what happened at Monmouth is a component of the selection.

That had to be the worst BC ever, the track was totally ill prepared for that kind of weather.

MaTH716 · #6 06-11-2013, 10:18 AM

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I see lots of posts about the weather in this thread, what happened at Monmouth is a component of the selection.

That had to be the worst BC ever, the track was totally ill prepared for that kind of weather.

How do you prepare for a monsoon? That's basically what the conditions were on Friday. If it wasn't the Breeder's Cup that Friday card would have be canceled in a heartbeat cause the weather was so bad.

cmorioles · #7 06-11-2013, 10:44 AM

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I see lots of posts about the weather in this thread, what happened at Monmouth is a component of the selection.

That had to be the worst BC ever, the track was totally ill prepared for that kind of weather.

The results seemed fine. What was so bad about the racing, other than some people got wet?

Danzig · #8 06-11-2013, 11:08 AM

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The results seemed fine. What was so bad about the racing, other than some people got wet?

cakes44 · #9 06-11-2013, 12:48 PM

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The results seemed fine. What was so bad about the racing, other than some people got wet?

EXACTLY...one of the most formful BCs in recent history. There were zero winners you couldn't make a case for after looking back at the form. Churchill is always good for 2-3 WTFs.

jms62 · #10 06-11-2013, 10:08 AM

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Monmouth will never get it again after the debacle last time.

Andy I would imagine they petition for it to save face with the horseman, look if NYRA really wanted this thing they would have had it by now, IMO.

Debacle? Weather is a debacle?

Danzig · #11 06-11-2013, 10:22 AM

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Monmouth will never get it again after the debacle last time.

Andy I would imagine they petition for it to save face with the horseman, look if NYRA really wanted this thing they would have had it by now, IMO.

disagree completely about the debacle. i thought monmouth did a good job, and just had to deal with nature, which is something no one has control over. also had rainy weather at arlington, does that mean they won't ever get it again?

belmont has tried, repeatedly.

the issue isn't whether other tracks have tried (they have), the issue is that regardless of what the other tracks do, or the state (ky had a tax break if the racing was there at least once every 3 years), the issue is that santa anita has a seeming stranglehold for some reason. what's that reason? it's not lack of want from others, it's not handle, it's not attendance....
so, what is it?