Breeders' Cup 2014

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

What are those factors?

There are issues involving the local horsemen's associations and their rights to the signal distribution and of course the collision course the BCL Lasix policy had in the mix the last 2 years. BCL can work in California more easily because of the negotiating structure with the TOC. Then there is the matter of the actual financial viability of being a host track. Santa Anita is willing to basically break even on the deal. People need to understand that host tracks don't get much out of hosting the event. It's a burden on the staff and the track makes almost nothing.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Kasept

There are issues involving the local horsemen's associations and their rights to the signal distribution and of course the collision course the BCL Lasix policy had in the mix the last 2 years. BCL can work in California more easily because of the negotiating structure with the TOC. Then there is the matter of the actual financial viability of being a host track. Santa Anita is willing to basically break even on the deal. People need to understand that host tracks don't get much out of hosting the event. It's a burden on the staff and the track makes almost nothing.

Other than the Lasix policy, is any of that new from prior decades? It doesn't sound like it, unless the BC is doing more of a money grab.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Other than the Lasix policy, is any of that new from prior decades? It doesn't sound like it, unless the BC is doing more of a money grab.

Don't know if it's a 'grab' so much as being very careful about the bottom line all around. I think what's changed is the host tracks and HBPA's aren't just saying, "bring it here! bring it here!" like they used to...

[Kasept]

There is also the savings involved in BCL not having to move all their equipment around. By staying in same venue, they save a lot of money. Don't forget that their portfolio was badly dented in the financial meltdown. They aren't as well-heeled as they once were.

[Calzone Lord]

We need more Breeders Cup races. The Juvy sprints were such a great inclusion. How about one Juvy sprint at 4.5f one at 7f and one at 6.5f turf? And do it for both sexes. And how about a turf sprint for older females. Poor Mizdirection...having to take on males like she is Desert Stormer, Safely Kept, or Very Subtle or something

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

We need more Breeders Cup races. The Juvy sprints were such a great inclusion. How about one Juvy sprint at 4.5f one at 7f and one at 6.5f turf? And do it for both sexes. And how about a turf sprint for older females. Poor Mizdirection...having to take on males like she is Desert Stormer, Safely Kept, or Very Subtle or something

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

We need more Breeders Cup races. The Juvy sprints were such a great inclusion. How about one Juvy sprint at 4.5f one at 7f and one at 6.5f turf? And do it for both sexes. And how about a turf sprint for older females. Poor Mizdirection...having to take on males like she is Desert Stormer, Safely Kept, or Very Subtle or something

I think the greys should have their own turf sprint too.......

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

I think the greys should have their own turf sprint too.......

They have that one at Calder..

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by Kasept

They have that one at Calder..

I think the Big M actually had a halloween race for the greys too.

Steve, didn't Calder also have some kind of wacked out 2 turn race where they actually mulitple winners in the race? They paid the winner after 6 furlongs and then the winner at a mile? Something crazy like that.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

I think the Big M actually had a halloween race for the greys too.

Steve, didn't Calder also have some kind of wacked out 2 turn race where they actually mulitple winners in the race? They paid the winner after 6 furlongs and then the winner at a mile? Something crazy like that.

They had the Extreme Day where two races ran at once with horses on the turf course and main. Bobby Newman calling both simultaneously.

[Aly-Sheba]

The weather plays a big factor, who wants to bet horses on off tracks like we seen for the Triple Crown days?!!

[asudevil]

Does the TV revenue have any impact on entire deal? Or is it miniscule compared to the other revenue streams?

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by asudevil

Does the TV revenue have any impact on entire deal? Or is it miniscule compared to the other revenue streams?

I'll ask Satish how that factors in Wednesday..

[-BT-]

If they’re going to keep it at SA for the 3rd straight year, let’s at least open up some more races
Arabians, let’s give something back to those full blown degenerates who play/handicap the last race at Delaware Park every day!!!!

It didn’t always have to be at such a “high end” venue, people forget when it was at Woodbine, pre-slots, and Lone Star

-bt-

[pweizer]

As someone who has been to many Breeder's Cups, Santa Anita is far and away the best option. Great location, great weather, dirt track again, easy access from multiple airports and tons of hotel rooms nearby.

I, too, like the idea of moving around to new tracks. But, other than Gulfstream (which is no longer an option), what other site can give you all of the above?

That said, for those upset now, I would bet that it moves the following year but stays in California and is held at Del Mar.

Paul

[Cannon Shell]

Isn't Stronach spending $700 million or so to revamp GP with some sort of temp seating, build hotels and some other nonsense to get the BC to S. FL?


http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...et-for-apr-nov

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by pweizer

As someone who has been to many Breeder's Cups, Santa Anita is far and away the best option. Great location, great weather, dirt track again, easy access from multiple airports and tons of hotel rooms nearby.

I, too, like the idea of moving around to new tracks. But, other than Gulfstream (which is no longer an option), what other site can give you all of the above?

That said, for those upset now, I would bet that it moves the following year but stays in California and is held at Del Mar.

Paul

Why is great weather a must? Plenty of very good races have been run on cold and/or wet days.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by pweizer

As someone who has been to many Breeder's Cups, Santa Anita is far and away the best option. Great location, great weather, dirt track again, easy access from multiple airports and tons of hotel rooms nearby.

I, too, like the idea of moving around to new tracks. But, other than Gulfstream (which is no longer an option), what other site can give you all of the above?

That said, for those upset now, I would bet that it moves the following year but stays in California and is held at Del Mar.

Paul

It has also become one of the most expensive locations to attend as well - though it sounds as if that is their goal with the whole "lifestyle platform" thing.

They always cite the weather, yet as pointed out, Churchill always brings the better numbers attendance and handle wise. While it was cold the last time Belmont hosted the BC, it is the last thing that sticks out in my mind since it was a tremendous experience all around.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

We need more Breeders Cup races. The Juvy sprints were such a great inclusion. How about one Juvy sprint at 4.5f one at 7f and one at 6.5f turf? And do it for both sexes. And how about a turf sprint for older females. Poor Mizdirection...having to take on males like she is Desert Stormer, Safely Kept, or Very Subtle or something

I think the Marathon is worth keeping around just to see Calidoscopio.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I think the Marathon is worth keeping around just to see Calidoscopio.

It used to mean something to win one of these races when there were 6 or 7, now that there is 14, ehh not that big of deal.