6/8 (BEL) 145th Belmont Stakes: Field at 14 as 'Tiz' passes

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

don't be so dismissive. i once yelled at an outfielder to "catch the damn ball!" and he did it.

alabama believes that jockeys take notes from random ninnies in the crowd. and i believe i helped orel hirscheiser close out the mets in the 88 nlcs.

[Alan07]

Fear The Kitten going to be entered w/ Alan Garcia listed as jockey.

[tjfla]

Originally Posted by Alan07

Fear The Kitten going to be entered w/ Alan Garcia listed as jockey.

What a perfect match Ramsey and D Wayne would be!!!

Let's just hope Ramsey has him nominated before he tries to enter him

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by tjfla

What a perfect match Ramsey and D Wayne would be!!!

Let's just hope Ramsey has him nominated before he tries to enter him

He's not a Ramsey horse.

[tjfla]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

He's not a Ramsey horse.

Ya just noticed that got him mixed up with Charming Kitten.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by Alan07

Fear The Kitten going to be entered w/ Alan Garcia listed as jockey.

With a grand total of 6 Derby points. I had read where Vegas had a prop bet of the over/under to make the field being set a 20. I had thought at the time that was a ridiculously low number.

6 is unimaginable.

[justindew]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

With a grand total of 6 Derby points. I had read where Vegas had a prop bet of the over/under to make the field being set a 20. I had thought at the time that was a ridiculously low number.

6 is unimaginable.

I think the over/under was 29.5 at one casino.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

With a grand total of 6 Derby points. I had read where Vegas had a prop bet of the over/under to make the field being set a 20. I had thought at the time that was a ridiculously low number.

6 is unimaginable.

Don't forget that 7 horses with 30 points or more are either inactive or off the trail.

This is why the outcry when the system came out about how "so and so would have been excluded" was ridiculous. There are going to be years where the standings are so top heavy (like 2013). All of the top 6 won 2 Derby preps with the exception of Java's War, who finished 2nd in the TB Derby. If there's more of a spread among the prep winners next year, the bottom for points will be a lot higher.

[Calzone Lord]

Orb is obviously going to be the post time favorite in the Kentucky Derby, and he just ran 11 lengths slower than Dreaming of Julia on the same day and same distance.

She's excluded from entering in favor of Fear The Kitten, now that Tiz A Minsiter is out after his 3rd place finish in the Cal Bred stake last weekend.

You know, because she didn't "earn" her way in like they did.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Orb is obviously going to be the post time favorite in the Kentucky Derby, and he just ran 11 lengths slower than Dreaming of Julia on the same day and same distance.

She's excluded from entering in favor of Fear The Kitten, now that Tiz A Minsiter is out after his 3rd place finish in the Cal Bred stake last weekend.

You know, because she didn't "earn" her way in like they did.

I'm not defending the points system, but simply pointing out that yearly changes are going to make the bottom amount needed for entry fluctuate.

The exclusion of races for fillies, the Illinois Derby hilarity, and the BC Juvenile not being an auto entry seem to be the three biggest flaws with the system. The 1st and 3rd have simple fixes. The 2nd depends on if CDI is still in a pissing match with Hawthorne.

I think the GP Oaks-FG Oaks-Gazelle-Ashland and Fantasy should be in the 50 pt range, so should the Juvenile.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I'm not defending the points system, but simply pointing out that yearly changes are going to make the bottom amount needed for entry fluctuate.

The exclusion of races for fillies, the Illinois Derby hilarity, and the BC Juvenile not being an auto entry seem to be the three biggest flaws with the system. The 1st and 3rd have simple fixes. The 2nd depends on if CDI is still in a pissing match with Hawthorne.

I think the GP Oaks-FG Oaks-Gazelle-Ashland and Fantasy should be in the 50 pt range, so should the Juvenile.

Don't agree. Why should a race Restricted to Fillies have any bearing on entry into an Open race? If the Fillies want to compete then step up and enter the preps.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Orb is obviously going to be the post time favorite in the Kentucky Derby, and he just ran 11 lengths slower than Dreaming of Julia on the same day and same distance.

She's excluded from entering in favor of Fear The Kitten, now that Tiz A Minsiter is out after his 3rd place finish in the Cal Bred stake last weekend.

You know, because she didn't "earn" her way in like they did.

I was under the impression they had no desire to run her in the Derby anyway. I guess if they could it might be a different story, but we'll never know.

Overall point taken, but if they weren't going to run anyway, it's hard to blame the point system.

It's like the people complaining about Departing getting "shut out" of the Derby. He could be running in it. The connections are choosing not to.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Orb is obviously going to be the post time favorite in the Kentucky Derby, and he just ran 11 lengths slower than Dreaming of Julia on the same day and same distance.

She's excluded from entering in favor of Fear The Kitten, now that Tiz A Minsiter is out after his 3rd place finish in the Cal Bred stake last weekend.

You know, because she didn't "earn" her way in like they did.

it's ridiculous.
they need to include points in some of the bigger filly races-if she got half credit for her wins she'd still be in, as she should be if they wanted to enter her.